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Old July 25th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #8701
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Most of the time limits doesn`t seem real at the beginning of road construction.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #8702
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Strange word order it is.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #8703
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised as almost all motorway/expressway construction projects in Poland are behind schedule in terms of opening dates
More so than in other countries?
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Old July 26th, 2012, 02:32 AM   #8704
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Most of the time limits doesn`t seem real at the beginning of road construction.
Well, there might be some underestimates but I can't believe that all projects are not real. There is something going wrong with procedures, management and supervision of the contracts.

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More so than in other countries?
Couple of years ago I was following construction of the Irish motorways, most of them were finished ahead of schedule. Admittedly, some of the schedules were a bit long but not too much.
If we look for example at the A4 construction some of the contracts were awarded about 2 years ago and judging from the progress we will need at least one or two more years to finish them.
3-4 years for construction of motorway in a fairly flat rural landscape? Are you kidding me?
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Old July 28th, 2012, 03:31 AM   #8705
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S12/S17 Piaski-Lublin'Witosa' junction:



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Old July 28th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #8706
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Old July 28th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #8707
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Can someone please post the latest map of Poland's road investments.
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Old July 28th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #8708
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Old July 28th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #8709
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Old July 29th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #8710
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I just noticed that if you point at a given motorway or express road section, it directs you straight to the corresponding SSC thread.

A very professional map, hats off to the person/-s who developed it.
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Old July 29th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #8711
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Agree, excellent map, but there is at least one mistake on A2 motorway.
This section is toll-free:

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Old July 29th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #8712
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The drawback of an open system. Open systems should be abolished on greenfield, non-urban toll roads. You end up paying a disproportionate amount of toll on a per-kilometer basis while others don't pay at all. And you end up with incomplete interchanges if you want to deal with the traffic that drives toll free between interchanges.

The European Union should give full electronic open road tolling the highest priority in its transportation plans. Currently ORT is only possible on roads with very few foreign traffic otherwise the lost income would be too great to economically operate a toll road.
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Old July 29th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #8713
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Best route to get to Cmielow?

Hi,

I wonder if anyone can help please. I will be going to visit family with my wife and kids in August. We will be heading for Cmielow, near Ostrowiec Swietokrzyski. The last time we did the trip we went via Poznan and Lodz, encountering loads of delays around Lodz. The time before we went via Wroclaw and Czestochowa, but this took equally as long.

Can anyone advise of the fastest route and the new roads we can take, (as my sat nav won't have updates for them). Thanks in advance
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Old July 29th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #8714
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Agree, excellent map, but there is at least one mistake on A2 motorway.
This section is toll-free:

The same on A4 Jaworzno - Trzebinia/Alwernia. Map corresponds to the road signs - all these sections are signed as toll.
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Old July 29th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #8715
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The drawback of an open system. Open systems should be abolished on greenfield, non-urban toll roads. You end up paying a disproportionate amount of toll on a per-kilometer basis while others don't pay at all. And you end up with incomplete interchanges if you want to deal with the traffic that drives toll free between interchanges.

The European Union should give full electronic open road tolling the highest priority in its transportation plans. Currently ORT is only possible on roads with very few foreign traffic otherwise the lost income would be too great to economically operate a toll road.
This seems like it might be a very interesting thought, but unfortunately I don't understand what it means. Would you be so kind as to explain?
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Old July 29th, 2012, 09:39 PM   #8716
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An open system is opposed to a closed system with tickets. With an open system there are toll plazas strategically placed to collect tolls. The toll-per-kilometer tends to be higher than with closed systems. Open systems only work well in cases of bridges or tunnels (i.e. a single point where you have to pay tolls for), not long-distance motorways like A2. You also have to stop more frequently to pay tolls and if traffic is heavy this results in unnecessary delays.

Open Road Tolling, or ORT uses electronic toll collection (ETC). These toll roads do not have physical toll plazas, but only portals over the road that read transponders and license plates of vehicles without transponders. This system is widely used in the United States and is also used in Norway and Portugal. However, due to the cost of getting license plate info from foreign vehicles, most toll road operators usually do not send out small bills to foreign drivers.

The German, Swiss, Slovak, Czech, Polish and Austrian truck tolls are an example of open road tolling, however they only work with transponders and not "toll-by-plate" systems. Furthermore, there is hardly any interoperability (the ability for one transponder to be used in all countries).

The disadvantage for drivers is that such systems can easily be used as cash cows, by just expanding the toll network at relatively low costs.
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Old July 29th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #8717
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I get it now. Thanks for explaining. I would support ORT for the reason that I hate stopping to pay tolls. I don't mind paying, but I hate stopping.

Perhaps this might help with the problem of getting foreign drivers to pay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
At least it lowers the transaction costs of paying a foreign toll.
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Old August 1st, 2012, 12:23 PM   #8718
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Old August 1st, 2012, 12:31 PM   #8719
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Some questions!

* is there any news about the A1 Mszana viaduct? What's the current status?
* when will construction of A1 east of Łódź begin? The famous map shows a completion in mid-2013 which is increasingly unlikely
* when will A2 around Mińsk Mazowiecki open?
* when will S7 Pasłęk - Miłomłyn open?
* when will the second carriageway of S7 Kielce open?
* what is the progress on S8 Piotrków - Mszczonów, are there already interchanges open?
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Old August 1st, 2012, 12:56 PM   #8720
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Some questions!

* when will construction of A1 east of Łódź begin? The famous map shows a completion in mid-2013 which is increasingly unlikely
I don't know the answers (don't follow all those threads profoundly) but to make it clear - you mean probably SOUTH not EAST
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