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Old August 7th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #8741
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Does Poland have too much money so it spends so much on these barriers in the middle of nowhere?
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Old August 7th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #8742
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Yes, we're fcukin' loaded.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #8743
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funny mistake on google maps with the A1 north side of Czestochowa
I don't see it. Please explain.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 09:23 PM   #8744
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Are the designers of these roads:
- angelic ecologists who don't want the copulating deers to be distirbed by cars noise...
- or are they psychopaths suffering of a perverse nostalgia of the Berlin's Wall times who wants the drivers to feel driving in jail without enjoying the beautiful polish rural landscapes ?

I favor the second hypothesis of course

Seriously this inflation of noise barriers in the middle of nowhere seems very very strange. I guess these unnecessary equipment are the result of corruption. Certainly it's useless, but someone has to find their interest !
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Old August 7th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #8745
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No it's all effect of Rospuda. Now we are trying to cover all UE demandings that's all.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 10:38 PM   #8746
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No it's all effect of Rospuda. Now we are trying to cover all UE demandings that's all.




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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #8747
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Now it is partially corrected.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #8748
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Great update, but, you take those noise barriers way too seriously.
It's so sick that it deserve "no comment".
I just hope one day we gonna rid off these noise barriers and sell to some third world country.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 04:23 AM   #8749
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What would they do with so many noise barriers though
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Old August 8th, 2012, 06:48 AM   #8750
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Old August 8th, 2012, 11:34 AM   #8751
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Now is marked section Ożarowice -Poraj which not exist

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Old August 8th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #8752
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I drove to and from Poland recently and I would recommend going via Ostrow rather than via Zambrow when in the north East. The road via Zambrow is generally better, however, there are some construction works that result in large traffic jams (there were two of them). Road via Ostrow was worse but the only thing that stopped the traffic were groups of religious people carrying crosses. However, we met those people on road via Zambrow too, so my advice would be to travel via Ostrow.

Generally I was impressed with the new A2 (except for one section which was dreadful). And generally, road conditions in Poland (even in the north east) have improved significantly. The only thing that really annoyed me was the Saturday mid-day traffic on the S8 in Warsaw. It was terrible. But overall, the roads (and the whole country) look much better than it used to. Well done.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 03:37 PM   #8753
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The only thing that really annoyed me was the Saturday mid-day traffic on the S8 in Warsaw. It was terrible. But overall, the roads (and the whole country) look much better than it used to. Well done.
Try Friday afternoon.
It may get better when they finish with the bridge, but they haven't even started yet.
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I drove to and from Poland recently and I would recommend going via Ostrow rather than via Zambrow when in the north East. The road via Zambrow is generally better, however, there are some construction works that result in large traffic jams (there were two of them). Road via Ostrow was worse but the only thing that stopped the traffic were groups of religious people carrying crosses. However, we met those people on road via Zambrow too, so my advice would be to travel via Ostrow.
Thanks. When are the new S8 sections at Zambrów and Białystok expected to open?
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Old August 8th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #8755
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It's so sick that it deserve "no comment".
I just hope one day we gonna rid off these noise barriers and sell to some third world country.
I've noticed the obsession with these barriers as well. So much for enjoying the rural scenery.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #8756
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Aparently all those sound barriers are due to the new strict EU regulations. However if every single meter of it is really needed and scientifically justyfied we will never know.
Another question is about the regulations itself. Are they too strict comparing with other parts of the world? Is it another madness due to the crazy Western European eco lobby which kills European competitiveness?

One thing is sure; the best business in Poland at the moment is the sound barriers business
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Old August 8th, 2012, 09:10 PM   #8757
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Is it another madness due to the crazy Western European eco lobby which kills European competitiveness?
Isn't that what Europe's all about?
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Old August 8th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #8758
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Are they too strict comparing with other parts of the world? Is it another madness due to the crazy Western European eco lobby which kills European competitiveness?
Yes and yes.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 10:02 PM   #8759
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In Poland road traffic noise limits for residential areas are 55 dBA during daytime and 50 dBA at night (LAeq, periods of 16 and 8 hours respectively), apparently this is as strict as it gets in EU. Does anyone have data for comparison from other countries?
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Old August 8th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #8760
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The Netherlands has a 48 dB default value for road noise (50 dBA) but there are exemptions possible to avoid high cost (such as noise barriers). The higher limit depends on the situation (urban limits can be higher than rural limits), 53 - 63 dB. Add 2 dB to it to get dB(A) values. Virtually all road projects use these exemptions, but they need to insulate houses. And the limits only apply to buildings with 24/7 habitation. So no offices, industrial estates, hotels, campsites, etc.
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