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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #9501
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clearly, S17 and S7 must be deemed a priority for next budgeting outlook
Yeah, Warsaw eastern bypass (S17) and the missing sections of the S7 between Gdańsk and Warsaw
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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:10 PM   #9502
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well, actually i meant southern part of S7 (south of Warsaw) and entire S17 that is missing between Warsaw and Lublin ... this is at least what comes out of those maps

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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #9503
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I would add S5 Wroclaw - Poznan - Bydgoszcz - A1
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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #9504
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Also, it looks like Bialystok - Suwalki road is going to have more importance over Zambrow-Lomza-Suwalki S61
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Old January 28th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #9505
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What doesen't change the fact that S7 an S17 are the main links that suffer enormous trafic.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #9506
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The AADT projections shown on this map look like they were dreamed up by a student intern who overdosed on LSD. A2 Warsaw - Lodz: 12,000 to 16,000. That's so far from plausible that I can't take any part of the map seriously.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 01:09 AM   #9507
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The AADT projections shown on this map look like they were dreamed up by a student intern who overdosed on LSD.
You can't overdose LSD
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Old January 29th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #9508
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The AADT projections shown on this map look like they were dreamed up by a student intern who overdosed on LSD. A2 Warsaw - Lodz: 12,000 to 16,000. That's so far from plausible that I can't take any part of the map seriously.
You should add those figures to obtain the full number of both directions. It will be from 24,000 to 32,000 (it is mentioned on the map).
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Old January 29th, 2013, 02:20 PM   #9509
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Here is plan of Lodz with future highways, expressways and new GP-class roads and all new train connections for the regional agglomoration train system and the new tunnel underneath the city for the highspeed train. Looks quiet ambitious. Don't know if all those projects which has been not started yet will be realized and in what time.

http://www.mpu.lodz.pl/page/file.php?id=270
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Old January 29th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #9510
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Here is a future plan for investements with the new EU budget. It's quiet surprising that they consider the complete S6 from Szczeczin to Gdansk which is not a crowded road at all.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #9511
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Hi there, I'm thinking of making a detour on the return trip to Ingolstadt from my hometown, Timisoara, this will happen in the second half of May. Main destinations would be Kosice (european cultural capital in 2013), Krakow and Auschwitz.

I made this quick plan, what do you think of it?

http://goo.gl/maps/4KUT0

Another plan could be to drive through CZ after Krakow and stop in Cesky Krumlov...
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Old January 29th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #9512
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Here is a future plan for investements with the new EU budget. It's quiet surprising that they consider the complete S6 from Szczeczin to Gdansk which is not a crowded road at all.
A18 ! finally that shame of Europe may go to history
S6 doesn't look important at the moment but actually after completing all above projects it would be the next in line to be constructed except few shorter and more crowded roads like Bialystok-Suwalki, Bydgoszcz - Torun - Plonsk or Poznan - Ostrow Wlkp - S8 which suprasingly has pretty high traffic volume.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #9513
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S6 gets priority only because of political reasons. There is no justification for building this route ... though there was a time when it had greater priority than Lublin's S17/S19/S12 bypass ... crazy stuff but this is the world that we are leaving in.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #9514
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What political reasons? If there is money for that why not to build it after other projects from the list? Lublin is not the center of universe either... S17 basically solve most of the problems of that city.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #9515
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Agreed. Gdańsk and Szczecin are the 6th and 7th largest cities of Poland, it's only naturally to connect them with a motorway or motorway-like expressway. In addition, Gdynia, Koszalin and Słupsk are the 12th, 38th and 41st largest cities of Poland which will also be connected by S6.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:17 PM   #9516
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If there is money for that why not to build it after other projects from the list?
The whole problem here is that there isn't money for that. Our government is pushing for S6 as a priority and there is no reason for it to be one. Obviously nobody is saying this road should not be built, it's just a matter of admitting (and the government is not willing to do so) that roads like S5, S7 or S17 are much more important right now.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #9517
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What political reasons? If there is money for that why not to build it after other projects from the list? Lublin is not the center of universe either... S17 basically solve most of the problems of that city.
I’ll give you full picture on this by bringing just a single example:

Back in 2010 there was a list of new road construction plan (so called Appendix 1) and reserve list of new roads that may be build, should savings be found (so called Appendix 1a). S6 was identified as a priority in Appendix 1, despite the fact that it was missing such basic document as environmental consent ... whereas Lublin bypass and S17 Warsaw-Lublin were allocated in Appendix 1a ... and yes, the latter had environmental decision

Now please bear in mind that S17 is unreasonably overcrowded and therefore is considered to be one of two most dangerous routes in Poland, whereas DK6 is somewhere at the bottom of this list

This situation for obvious (but unknown to us ) reasons continues throughout the years.

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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #9518
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I don't get it. What is the whole argument about? Both S17 and S6 are on the list of next EU budget, neither of them is excluded. Moreover S17 is under construction right now and some parts are already finished while S6 need to be build from scratch.... Once again: what are we arguing here about?
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:50 PM   #9519
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Both S17 and S6 are on the list of next EU budget, neither of them is excluded.
This list is meaningless, we're waiting for Ministry of Transport to publish a new strategy for road investments in 2014-2020 budget. What the fuss is about is that their previous arguments and current hints we get make us believe, that they will be pushing S6 as one of the priorities and this could mean for example S17 will be pushed to a reserve list, as the funds are obviously limited. All we're asking for are clear and logical rules of assigning funds for projects. Ministry of Transport is still unable to explain why exactly they believe S6 is more important than let's say S10.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #9520
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another words: forget about EU list, because local Ministry of Transport has it's own, which is better

back on this list there is:

- S6 with much higher priority and very limited reasoning for it (road congestion, road safety, paperwork preparedness)
- S17 that is less important from the mentioned S6 but equally suffers from extreme road congestion and very poor safety (because of this congestion)

… got the drift?

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