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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:40 PM   #9521
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another words: forget about EU list, because local Ministry of Transport has it's own, which is better
The member states normally build any road which the EU is willing to fund (85% of the total). Until the EU has decided, none of these lists mean very much.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:45 PM   #9522
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sure ... but EU approves the whole lot and then it gets back to the country where the list is being rescheduled again (within the approved extent)
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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #9523
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sure ... but EU approves the whole lot ....
Not always. The Commission looks rather carefully at which projects make sense -- from a european rather than a national perspective.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #9524
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Ok, then most definetly this "not allways" refers to Poland. Please review last budgeting perspective and especially projections vs completed
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Old January 30th, 2013, 07:17 AM   #9525
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The member states are required to justify every road funding request. One of the things the Commission is cognizant of and on the look out for is the possibility of a powerful national politician trying to direct money to his local constituency ("pork barrel" politics). I have no doubt the Commission has been asking tough questions about the S6.

The Commission is also cognizant of the member states' tendency to prefer improved connections within a member state to improved connections between member states. For example, the A1/D1 PL/CZ connection was not a high priority of either PL or CZ. It was built because the Commission made it a priority and PL and CZ were happy to build it for 15% of cost -- after failing to convince the Commission to let them have the same money for purely domestic projects.

Similarly, I would not be surprised if the Commission is pushing to fund the S61 and S69. Perhaps even the S8 Wroclaw - Klodzko.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 10:02 AM   #9526
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All we're asking for are clear and logical rules of assigning funds for projects. Ministry of Transport is still unable to explain why exactly they believe S6 is more important than let's say S10.
S10 on the route Bydgoszcz-Toruń is not important at all. It is a source of great wonder to me why it is considered before 2020 at all, the especially as virtually no preparation work is done.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #9527
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It is a source of great wonder to me why it is considered before 2020 at all
Is it?
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Old January 31st, 2013, 09:26 AM   #9528
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EU freezes €4bn of Polish funds in fraud case

BRUSSELS - The European Commission has blocked over €4 billion of money for Polish roads, causing dismay in the run-up to an EU budget summit next week.

It took the decision after the Polish prosecutor accused 11 people - 10 of them CEOs of large construction firms and one of them a director in Poland's road agency, the GDDKiA - of colluding to fix prices for tenders for EU-co-funded projects.

The frozen money concerns €4 billion of unspent Polish allocations from the EU's 2007 to 2013 budget in the "infrastructure & environment" programme.

The commission is also freezing €382 million of unspent Polish funds in its "development eastern Poland" programme.

It said in a statement to press on Wednesday (30 January) that in order to get the money flowing again, Poland must "undertake a wide-ranging control/audit to establish the scope of potential irregularities and risk of other projects having been affected."

It noted: "Where and if irregularities are detected, the Polish authorities should make financial corrections and withdraw the irregular expenditure from payment claims to the commission."

It added, using capital letters: "The commission has ZERO TOLERANCE when it comes to to fraud."

Its decision prompted stinging rebukes from the Polish side.

Poland's regional development ministry called it "absolutely unreasonable" in its statement on Wednesday.

The deputy minister for regional development, Adam Zdzieblo, called it "sudden and without justification." He added: "We believe the European Commission will withdraw it as quickly as possible."

The minister herself, Elzbieta Bienkowska, told Polish radio: "The Polish system of project selection, the choice of contractors, is absolutely just and it is Poland which is the injured party in this case [of alleged collusion]."

The furore comes ahead of next week's EU summit, where Polish leader Donald Tusk will try to persuade EU paymasters - Germany, the UK and the Netherlands - to give more money for eastern Europe in the 2014 to 2020 EU budget period.

Some Polish diplomats are quietly dismayed about the timing of the revelation.

But for her part, commission spokeswoman Shirin Wheeler, said the timing has nothing to do with Brussels.

She noted that Poland was initially notified in a letter on 21 December and that the problem hit the Polish headlines only today "probably because someone on the Polish side decided to speak to media."

She added that Poland is normally "a model of good spending," but the fact that one of the accused people is a GDDKiA director poses questions on how far the rot has spread.

"We would not be fulfilling our responsibility to Polish taxpayers and to other taxpayers if we did not seek reassurances," she told EUobserver.
http://euobserver.com/economic/118897
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Old January 31st, 2013, 10:23 AM   #9529
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Requiring Poland to conduct an audit before releasing the funds seems entirely reasonable.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 10:54 AM   #9530
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Is it?
S10 shows up in ministry papers and Nowak speeches from time to time. And then disappears, and reappears.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 11:55 AM   #9531
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Don't get it. Polish prosecutors work as they should. They find out about price fixing, arrest accused then Poland is punished by EU.... Would be better if nobody knew about price fixing? It looks like better not be so efficient in frauds finding. EU Commission doesn't like it.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:38 PM   #9532
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I think the article has it wrong that the unfreezing of the funds is dependent on the carrying out of an audit. It is my understanding that the funds have been frozen until clarification as to the guilt of these 11 persons has been obtained. IF the courts find them guilty the commission will take a decision then.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 12:55 PM   #9533
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I cannot shake off the impression that those guys in EU got no idea of the consequences of freezing the funds. I just hope that they will be released back again very soon and the case sorted out on political level.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 01:37 PM   #9534
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The member states are required to justify every road funding request. One of the things the Commission is cognizant of and on the look out for is the possibility of a powerful national politician trying to direct money to his local constituency ("pork barrel" politics). I have no doubt the Commission has been asking tough questions about the S6.

The Commission is also cognizant of the member states' tendency to prefer improved connections within a member state to improved connections between member states. For example, the A1/D1 PL/CZ connection was not a high priority of either PL or CZ. It was built because the Commission made it a priority and PL and CZ were happy to build it for 15% of cost -- after failing to convince the Commission to let them have the same money for purely domestic projects.

Similarly, I would not be surprised if the Commission is pushing to fund the S61 and S69. Perhaps even the S8 Wroclaw - Klodzko.
The motorway D1 in the Czech Republic received only 10 % of the funds from the EU, and this was yet not through the standard 5 year scheme. In general EU money in the CZ are poorly managed and don't constitute serious push for construction. Only fraction of the available money is used and from that some money are not received because of the problems with finished projects (i.e. audit, excess costs, etc).
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Old January 31st, 2013, 01:38 PM   #9535
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Don't get it. Polish prosecutors work as they should. They find out about price fixing, arrest accused then Poland is punished by EU.... Would be better if nobody knew about price fixing? It looks like better not be so efficient in frauds finding. EU Commission doesn't like it.
There are many historical examples in Europe (and elsewhere) of prosecutors prosecuting innocent persons (sometimes deliberately and sometimes accidentally) and not prosecuting guilty persons. The Commission reasonably, in my opinion, wants to be assured that the guilty persons in government have been found. This is not a punishment. If no other guilty persons are found in the government, then the Commission will push for more funding for Poland in the future. The Commission is quite careful to not provide unintended incentives to the member states to cover up corruption.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 03:55 PM   #9536
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oh really?! ... and I (naive) thought that this is because of the next EU (2014 - 2020) budget negotiations ...
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Old January 31st, 2013, 04:44 PM   #9537
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oh really?! ... and I (naive) thought that this is because of the next EU (2014 - 2020) budget negotiations ...
Usually I'm not signing up to conspiracy theories but in this case I can't see another explanation.
Polish prosecutors do good job and as a reward EU freezes founds. Next time we simply shouldn't bother with investigating, just keep things quiet.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 05:07 PM   #9538
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the recent prosecutions are not the only reason the funds were frozen. An inquiry has been going on since 2010 and the Commission is worried that it is dragging on longer than it should.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 05:38 PM   #9539
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Hmm, I don't get it. The Polish road projects are usually lauded for being among the least corrupt in Europe. And price-fixing? Virtually all tenders are significantly below the projected cost.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 05:51 PM   #9540
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That's one of the funniest parts of this whole situation, some high level people from major construction companies are going to jail for fixing prices and it turns out they weren't even successful. For example they fixed price for S8 Piotrków Trybunalski - Rawa Mazowiecka, but then unexpectedly Astaldi came in and took the contract.
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