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Old March 30th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #9641
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about the tolls for cars - is it collected only in toll booths, so no any vignettes or receivers are required?
are there closed tolling systems, or they are all opened?
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Old March 30th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #9642
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Mostly bridge designs and painting. In most countries, everything is just grey
I would say it's even too colorful here I wouldn't mind more raw concrete instead of pink paint etc.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #9643
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I would say it's even too colorful here I wouldn't mind more raw concrete instead of pink paint etc.
The color must be renewed in the future. If not, it will look terrible!
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Old March 30th, 2013, 03:30 PM   #9644
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about the tolls for cars - is it collected only in toll booths, so no any vignettes or receivers are required?
are there closed tolling systems, or they are all opened?
You don't need vignettes or a viaTOLL receiver for a car under 3,5t, there are booths on all toll roads. Tolling systems are mixed, mostly closed.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 03:45 PM   #9645
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How does tolling system in Poland work? I will have to take A1 from Gdansk to Torun, how much will that cost me? And as I understand S7, S22 and S6 are toll free, right?
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Old March 30th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #9646
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How does tolling system in Poland work? I will have to take A1 from Gdansk to Torun, how much will that cost me? And as I understand S7, S22 and S6 are toll free, right?
You take a ticket at a toll booth near Gdańsk and pay near Toruń. For a car under 3,5t it's around 30 PLN. Expressways (S6/7/22) are toll free for vehicles under 3,5t.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #9647
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Mostly bridge designs and painting. In most countries, everything is just grey and all bridge / overpass designs are standard flat concrete structures. There are much more arch bridges and cable-stayed designs in Poland than elsewhere.
For me, grey is perfect colour for such a road structures.
Combination "Everything must be colourful otherwise it's dull", "everywhere ads, banners" and "noise barriers for every single house" makes our public space/roads so unfriendly to us...IMO of course
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Old March 30th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #9648
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Polish engineers really have an eye for design. Polish infrastructure is aesthetically much more pleasing than say, Romania or even Germany. The only downside is the noise barrier terror.
Yes-that actually helps a lot IMO- driving through the walls of the noise barriers is really boring and makes you sleepy. Such red/orange bridge/tunnel helps a lot. I hope they will change those noise regulations ASAP.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #9649
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I agree with ChrisZwolle and lukaszek89. The variety of designs and colours of Polish bridges makes driving in Poland a lot more pleasant than most of the EU. The excess of noise barriers is dreadful.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #9650
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I hope they will change those noise regulations ASAP.
Haven't we changed them just recently
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Old March 30th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #9651
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Have we? I cannot find any source saying it's done.

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ok, this may be it.
http://www.infor.pl/dziennik-ustaw,r...w-sprawie.html

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http://dziennikustaw.gov.pl/du/2012/1109/1
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Old March 31st, 2013, 12:52 AM   #9653
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Question time, not entirely related to Poland, but sort of

I need to go to Graz in Austria next week - but I have two problems.

- 1. I'm leaving from Oborniki Wlkp. at 12:00 exactly on Friday.
- 2. I need to be in Graz on Friday night.

What would be the best way to go? I've got several ideas in my head -

1. Oborniki-Poznan-Wroclaw-Klodzko-Olomouc-Brno-Vienna-Graz
2. Oborniki-Szamotuly-Zielona Gora-Liberec-Prague-Brno-Vienna-Graz
3. Oborniki-Nowy Tomysl-Berlin-Dresden-Regensburg-Passau-Graz

I drive about 110km/h on motorways - any faster and I tire quickly

I'm aware that Wroclaw traffic could mean slow progress on the DK8 south of Wroclaw, and that option 3 is all motorway but considerably further. Option 2 seems to have the serious drawback of hitting Prague at rush hour.

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Old March 31st, 2013, 02:13 AM   #9654
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I would go with the first alternative.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 09:28 AM   #9655
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I would also choose the first alternative, especially given your aversion to speeds above 110 km/h. Make haste at the beginning to pass Wroclaw before the commute traffic. The part I would dread most would be from the CZ/AT border until the A5 begins (at a petrol station along that section you'll want to buy your AT vignette). Stop to rest and stretch your legs when you need to.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 11:41 AM   #9656
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I would also choose the first alternative, especially given your aversion to speeds above 110 km/h. Make haste at the beginning to pass Wroclaw before the commute traffic. The part I would dread most would be from the CZ/AT border until the A5 begins (at a petrol station along that section you'll want to buy your AT vignette). Stop to rest and stretch your legs when you need to.
What's wrong with the CZ/A border to the A5? I've always found driving on 2 lane roads in Austria a pleasure - 100km/h limits outside cities and generally good driving surfaces.

The bit I'm worried about is from the end of the S8 to Klodzko - does anyone know if this is likely to get jammed? I'd guess to be hitting there about 16:30 or so - which doesn't sound ideal!

I really wish they would do something about the mess that is DK5 between Poznan-Wroclaw. Even the bit under construction now won't change much
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What's wrong with the CZ/A border to the A5? I've always found driving on 2 lane roads in Austria a pleasure - 100km/h limits outside cities and generally good driving surfaces.
The AT Route 7 road surface is ok compared to PL and CZ roads, but much of it has reduced limits below 100 km/h even outside the towns. Until 2016 or 2017, the road goes through several towns, with traffic lights, marginally signed turns, etc. There is usually at least one speed trap. I find that I have to substantially increase my concentration and then I make little progress over time. It's quite a contrast after crossing the border compared to the substantially better CZ I52 after the end of the R52.

After the A5, be prepared to struggle with the poor signage through Vienna, to go A5 -> S2 -> A23 -> A2. It might be possible to simply follow the signs to Graz, but it would be untypical if they exist everywhere they are needed.

I hope the snows finish before your trip.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 02:13 PM   #9658
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Since the polish section is almost only Polish language, then I'll ask for help here, again. I will be going to Gdansk in june/july and we (four people) will need some hotel or whatever for one night in Gdansk or somewhere around Gdansk. I need this place to be as cheap as possible, no more than 120PLN for a night. Any suggestions?
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Since the polish section is almost only Polish language, then I'll ask for help here, again. I will be going to Gdansk in june/july and we (four people) will need some hotel or whatever for one night in Gdansk or somewhere around Gdansk. I need this place to be as cheap as possible, no more than 120PLN for a night. Any suggestions?
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The bit I'm worried about is from the end of the S8 to Klodzko - does anyone know if this is likely to get jammed? I'd guess to be hitting there about 16:30 or so - which doesn't sound ideal!

No it won't be jammed. But there will be a lot of vehicles on the road. I, myself, drive often that road when visiting Poland and never seen any problem or so.
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