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Old April 3rd, 2013, 09:24 PM   #9681
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How is it looking for the S79 and S2 (Warsaw) opening to traffic in
late June/early July? Hope the snow and freezing temperatures isn't delaying work too much
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 10:28 PM   #9682
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How is it looking for the S79 and S2 (Warsaw) opening to traffic in
late June/early July? Hope the snow and freezing temperatures isn't delaying work too much
It looks like the struggle will be to get it all open before winter weather sets in.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #9683
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Road fatalities in Poland:

March 2012 - 265 dead
March 2013 - 166 dead

37 % decrease

January to March 2012 - 718 dead
January to March 2013 - 544 dead

24% decrease
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Old April 4th, 2013, 12:59 AM   #9684
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It's worth noting that winter is still holding strong, there's been snow on the roads for most of those first 3 months of this year. Such conditions always have positive effect on safety (there's more collisions, but people drive much slower, so there is less fatalities and serious injuries). But overall I'm very optimistic there's going to be something around 3000 casualties on our roads this year, obviously that's a lot, but our rate of improvement isn't bad at all.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #9685
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Road fatalities in Poland:

March 2012 - 265 dead
March 2013 - 166 dead

37 % decrease

January to March 2012 - 718 dead
January to March 2013 - 544 dead

24% decrease
Very long winter & some new roads. No surprise.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 02:20 PM   #9686
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Old April 4th, 2013, 02:43 PM   #9687
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What a bunch of ******* morons. I would shoot people like that on site. They are going to kill someone sooner or later

I really don't get it. You don't see things like that in UK or France or Germany, even by Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish or Ukrainian drivers. Then, once they cross the Polish border, they feel like they have green light to be idiots again.

What is it? Lack of enforcement? General perception of free for all?
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Old April 4th, 2013, 03:30 PM   #9688
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This one's worse imho:
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Old April 4th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #9689
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What a bunch of ******* morons. I would shoot people like that on site. They are going to kill someone sooner or later

I really don't get it. You don't see things like that in UK or France or Germany, even by Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish or Ukrainian drivers. Then, once they cross the Polish border, they feel like they have green light to be idiots again.

What is it? Lack of enforcement? General perception of free for all?

As I see the Polish truck drivers are not behaving better in Russia.

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Old April 4th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #9690
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Old April 4th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #9691
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i advise posters of this thread not to use some idiotic videos recorded by idiots a few years ago. the truth is that fatality rate on polish roads is by now reduced to eu average without any radical increase in price of speeding tickets or campaign showing suffering of car accident victims.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #9692
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the truth is that fatality rate on polish roads is by now reduced to eu average
The fatality rate is almost double that of the EU average. The EU average is 55 fatalities per 1 million inhabitants, Poland got 93 in 2012. Only 2 countries have more fatalities than Poland (LT & RO).

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-236_en.htm

Needless to say, Poland saw one of the biggest improvements, but there is still a lot of work to do. Many safety bottlenecks will be solved by expanding the motorway and expressway network. However this will not be completed overnight. We saw a very large reduction in Spain as well after they massively expanded their Autopista/Autovía system. Spain is now one of the safest countries in the EU.
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i'm talking about now (recent statistics of march 2013 showing reduction of 37 %). 93 to 55 is around that number.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #9694
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I agree that the long-term solution is the extension of the A and S class (and other dual carriageway) road networks.

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i'm talking about now (recent statistics of march 2013 showing reduction of 37 %). 93 to 55 is around that number.
As explained above by toonczyk, that drop is attributable to continuation of wintery weather through March this year. Even if that explanation were not available, your data set would be too small to draw a reliable conclusion. Let's see how the year compares.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #9695
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i'm talking about now (recent statistics of march 2013 showing reduction of 37 %). 93 to 55 is around that number.
It's been a couple of months since I was last in Poland, I find it hard to believe behaviour has changed that much.

Especially in and around Warsaw, the average driver is quite aggressive and there are a lot of dangerous truck drivers !
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Old April 4th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #9696
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As explained above by toonczyk, that drop is attributable to continuation of wintery weather through March this year. Even if that explanation were not available, your data set would be too small to draw a reliable conclusion. Let's see how the year compares.
there were years with longer winters but without such a reduction in fatality on roads.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #9697
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It's been a couple of months since I was last in Poland, I find it hard to believe behaviour has changed that much.

Especially in and around Warsaw, the average driver is quite aggressive and there are a lot of dangerous truck drivers !
warsaw is just another story. all drivers, pedestrians, cyclists are agressive there.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #9698
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Mostly bridge designs and painting. In most countries, everything is just grey and all bridge / overpass designs are standard flat concrete structures. There are much more arch bridges and cable-stayed designs in Poland than elsewhere.
Everything is aesthetic but painting. Some overpasses are as colourfull as kindergarten interior. We have enough colours in public space around here
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Old April 4th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #9699
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As I see the Polish truck drivers are not behaving better in Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=5o4lgM8CBco
I heard that Czech drivers are the worst.

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Especially in and around Warsaw, the average driver is quite aggressive and there are a lot of dangerous truck drivers !
Possibly. Same e.g. in Geneva. When I paid a visit there, felt that the driving style was aggressive, with little tolerance for foreigners (drove a car with French reg. plate).
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Old April 4th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #9700
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How can U say that man? Czech driver would never do things like that, I think no one can beat Russian or Polish drivers in such a bullshit on the road, this is really crazy
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