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Old July 31st, 2013, 02:13 PM   #10361
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I've read it will open tonight.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 02:40 PM   #10362
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Does anybody have photos of the A4 przemysl- korczowa??
Check out this thread:
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There are few photos of section mentioned by you (and many more of the rest from Rzeszów).
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:13 PM   #10363
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I've read it will open tonight.
They're verifying the documentation as we speak, construction site inspectors and police will do final checks tonight, if everything is right they'll open it.

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Notice the line barriers, in a somewhat controversial move they installed them (instead of classic steel barriers) on S2 between Konotopa and Warszawa-Południe.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:14 PM   #10364
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Odd design compared to what I think is logical!

Cyclists and pedestrians share the same bit?

But a moped ( scooter in the vid) has to go between the cars ?

There should be 3 sections:
1- Pedestrians
2- Cars & motorbikes only ( not allow slow traffic)
3- Cycle/moped path, for cyclists, mopeds, scooters, etc... Or if allowed currently between the cars: farm vehicles. Basically any traffic unable to go faster than 50 km/h.

Pedestrians and bikes can coexist on the bridge like everywhere else. That is not a problem. Also don't forget this is not motorway, not even expressway just regular road so forget about separate space for slower traffic... There is no such a traffic volume and of course no money to build such an unnecessary expensive bridge.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:17 PM   #10365
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Maybe those were sparks from tram traction, sometimes it happens to look like a camera flash.
It's possible, I was in the same location yesterday and didn't see any camera.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:18 PM   #10366
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Isn't DK90 a GP-class road? In that case, I think tractors should generally be separated from fast traffic, but I can see it is cost-prohibitive to build a wider bridge for a few tractors per day.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:25 PM   #10367
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Notice the line barriers, in a somewhat controversial move they installed them (instead of classic steel barriers) on S2 between Konotopa and Warszawa-Południe.
That's a big "hmm" for me. Cable barriers are nice for 2+1 roads with low volumes and relatively few trucks, but I think metal or concrete barriers are more appropriate for high-volume urban motorways. I can't think of any other high volume (de-facto) motorway in Europe with only a cable barrier.

According to British research for Highways Agency, there were 1449 accidents per year in the UK involving the median barrier (thus excluding the outer barriers).
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:27 PM   #10368
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Just prohibit tractors on the bridge.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:30 PM   #10369
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That's rather impractical for farmers, don't you think?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 03:50 PM   #10370
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That's a big "hmm" for me. Cable barriers are nice for 2+1 roads with low volumes and relatively few trucks, but I think metal or concrete barriers are more appropriate for high-volume urban motorways. I can't think of any other high volume (de-facto) motorway in Europe with only a cable barrier.
I think it's been tested time and time again and the conclusions are that concrete barriers are by far the safest, but there is very little to no difference between steel and cable barriers in terms of safety. Cable barriers are not popular in Poland, only major roads I can think of that use those is S8 in Mszczonów (short section, just a few kilometers) and A1 Toruń - Grudziądz. We'll see how it works here, I hope it proves to be safe.
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That's rather impractical for farmers, don't you think?
Tractors can jump on ferry as it always was.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 04:37 PM   #10372
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Tractors can jump on ferry as it always was.
The ferries in this area were cancelled.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 04:37 PM   #10373
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That's rather impractical for farmers, don't you think?
Tractors obviously didn't use the bridge before it was opened. No reason they must use it after. Tractors can stay on one side of the river. If someone needs to transport a tractor (for example, after buying one on the other side of the river) then put it on a trailer and drive it across at 80 km/h.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 04:41 PM   #10374
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Agree! Let's not make a big issue of few tractors!
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Old July 31st, 2013, 10:14 PM   #10375
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According to the GDDKiA facebook profile S2 will be opened around 21-22
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Old July 31st, 2013, 10:57 PM   #10376
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Pedestrians and bikes can coexist on the bridge like everywhere else. That is not a problem. Also don't forget this is not motorway, not even expressway just regular road so forget about separate space for slower traffic... There is no such a traffic volume and of course no money to build such an unnecessary expensive bridge.
Peds should be split from cyclists I think personally.

Mopeds also don't belong between the cars imo outside built up areas. A 45-50km/h vehicle doensn't belong on a road where cars go 80+ km/h imo.


Then again, I'm spoilt with where I live, I ride all vehicles possible ( Car, Mopeds, bikes, etc...) and I find it nice that slow traffic is rarely ever sharing the same space as fast traffic.

What i meant was, I think at least the ped/cycle path should be split up like this:



And fair point about farm vehicles, if there was no bridge before, then why would they suddenly need to use it now that there is one ?
I personally think farm vehicles should never go on roads where cars can go 80 or more....
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:04 AM   #10377
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Generally you are right but bridge near Kwidzyn is practically in the countryside. I don't expect there either many bikes or many pedestrians. The bridge in your picture is in urban area so it makes sense to invest money in separate bike lanes.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:15 AM   #10378
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Exactly. There is no need there for a separate lanes for cyclists and pedestrians. Not to mention mopeds which are not really popular in Poland and building an extra lane for them would surely be a huge waste of money imo.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:18 AM   #10379
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S2 Konotopa - Krakowska just opened.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 02:02 AM   #10380
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S2 - southern bypass of Warsaw.
Section open for traffic today - highlighted:


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