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Old October 9th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #10681
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Hahahahahaha, great!! Just great!!

I was thinking the same example, comparing to the same situation in Spain. The history backwards is slightly different in the case of Spain, )
There are even more similarities with Spain. S-class roads were to be build by upgrading the old single carriageway highways. The A-class roads were to be build on green fields. However they found out that upgrading the old single-carriageway highways is more expansive and troublesome. Now most S-class roads are being designed on green fields.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #10682
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very very nice section of S8 from piotrkòw to mszczonow!! I drove trough for first time there yesterday.
Is there any chance to complete s8 in missing sections from warszawa to bialystok? Even at night DK8 is really really dangerous road!! I saw lot of TIRs cruising in pair for kilometers while overtaking O_O
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Old October 10th, 2013, 02:13 AM   #10683
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Is there any chance to complete s8 in missing sections from warszawa to bialystok?
Yes, the S8 from Warsaw to Bialystok is planned for completion over the next several years. A couple of sections are out for tender now.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #10684
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We are now Road Infrastructure. Does it mean we can discuss here every smallest piece of even most forgotten road we think is worth of?
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Old October 11th, 2013, 04:23 PM   #10685
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Just use your common sense
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Old October 11th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #10686
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Aerial photos of A4 near Dębica available on Google Maps:
https://maps.google.pl/?ll=50.084849...01929&t=k&z=16

Aerial photos of Lublin byoass also available
https://maps.google.pl/?ll=51.302179...38581&t=k&z=15

(both roads under construction)

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Construction of S3 south of A4 (towards Czech Republic) will not start in next few years, because Czech R11 is planned after 2018.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #10687
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Today Interchange 'Lublin Rudnik' on Lublin bypass S12/S17/S19 and new entrance to the city under construction:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdiMnKG0l0s



Map:
https://maps.google.pl/?ll=51.302179...38581&t=k&z=15
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Old October 13th, 2013, 08:53 AM   #10688
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Length of motorways and expressways in the major countries of the European Union, in km.

1 Germany 12363

2 France 10843

3 Spain 10286

4 Italy 6487

5 United Kingdom 3555

6 Poland 2549

7 Portugal 2547

8 The Netherlands 2274

9 Belgium 1763

10 Sweden 1740

11 Austria 1678

12 Denmark 1340

13 Hungary 1335

14 Czech Republic 1050

15 Finland 740

In late 2016 or early 2017 in terms of the length of motorways and expressways Poland will be ahead of the United Kingdom.

By 2020, Poland will have a total of 5300 km of motorways and expressways.

http://www.rp.pl/artykul/13,1056196-...ce-UE.html?p=1
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Old October 13th, 2013, 11:45 AM   #10689
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Numbers for Spain and France seem suspiciously too low. They have like over 14,000 km and 13,000 km respectively. Also Czech Republic has almost 1,200 km instead of 1,050 km.

Otherwise it looks more or less correct, but I think I've seen somewhere on this forum more updated list. Note this shows total length, not density (I think the Netherlands would beat everyone in that category).
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Old October 13th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #10690
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Length of motorways and expressways in the major countries of the European Union, in km.
1 Germany 12363
Totally wrong! It is w/o expressways and even the Autobahn network has a length of almost 13,000km.

Here another ranking of Autobahn networks: http://images.zeit.de/wissen/2012-04...k-autobahn.pdf (2012).

btw: The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself .
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Old October 13th, 2013, 02:13 PM   #10691
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8 The Netherlands 2274
Wrong wrong and wrong. That's the length we had in 1995 or so...

But good to know that Polish newspapers check their sources just as much as Dutch newspapers. As in; they don't check... The real length is 2516 kms.
http://www.wegenwiki.nl/Nederlandse_autosnelwegen#Lijst
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Old October 13th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #10692
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Compare the area of Poland to the area of the UK or the Netherland.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #10693
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UK is only slightly smaller than Poland but more populous ,so?
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #10694
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UK is only slightly smaller than Poland but more populous ,so?
I like how you just try to talk around NL, which is waaaay smaller than Poland

Anyways, about the UK:
UK has about 2700 kms of dual carriageways* that are not calculated in the result...

Motorways: 3236 kms (2011 miles)
Dual carriageways: 2780 kms (1727 miles)


Total: 6016 kms (3738 miles)

* Only dual carriageways that have at least 2 lanes per direction and are grade seperated
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #10695
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Have I mentioned sth about Holland? I replied to the post about UK which is more populous and not much smaller than Poland is. And yes I know about dual-carriageways, there are plenty of them in Poland as well but this article is about expressways and motorways.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:20 PM   #10696
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And yes I know about dual-carriageways, there are plenty of them in Poland as well but this article is about expressways and motorways.
A dual carriageway (in the way I explained at the * in my last post) is the equivalent of an expressway. So it should've been counted.

Also note that the Polish version of these roads (Droga ekspresowe) were counted in Polands total.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #10697
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There are GP roads in Poland (also separated) but are not counted as expressways.
UK has quite undeveloped road system compared to other Western countries.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #10698
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I like how you just try to talk around NL, which is waaaay smaller than Poland

Anyways, about the UK:
UK has about 2700 kms of dual carriageways* that are not calculated in the result...

Motorways: 3236 kms (2011 miles)
Dual carriageways: 2780 kms (1727 miles)


Total: 6016 kms (3738 miles)

* Only dual carriageways that have at least 2 lanes per direction and are grade seperated
It would be very hard task to distinguish grade separated dual carriageways from those which aren't. If it comes to their considerable continuous uninterrupted length, let's say over 10 miles, you wouldn't have found more than a handful of such. However, dual carriageways' network in Britain is with no doubts far denser than in Poland.

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Have I mentioned sth about Holland?
You haven't and this is the reason why he said what he said
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #10699
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It would be very hard task to distinguish grade separated dual carriageways from those which aren't. If it comes to their considerable continuous uninterrupted length, let's say over 10 miles, you wouldn't have found more than a handful of such.
True, I think it was calculated with at least 2 exits on the route (or was that the case on another page... Hmm...), but to be sure: Chris, how exactly did you calculate it?



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You haven't and this is the reason why he said what he said
Exactly!
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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #10700
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There are GP roads in Poland (also separated) but are not counted as expressways.
You have to draw a line somewhere. I read that some of them have a design speed of only 60 km/h. That's way too low to be highway/autobahn/motorway-like.

PS: don't think I'm defending the UK or anything, but it just looks like you're just trying to boost Poland's number and try to keep the numbers of other countries as low as possible. Which I don't think is fair.

I now do wonder how much NL would get extra with 2x2 non-highway 'autowegen' (like your Droga ekspresowe) with grade seperation. It wont be a lot I presume. I can only come up with a few :P (N11, N31, N242, S112)
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