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Old October 13th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #10701
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No. Droga Ekspresowa is Autobahn class road. Period. Also Poland have dual carriageways witch are no Autostrada or Droga Ekspresowa and they are not counted here.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #10702
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Well, what's the total length of all these GP-class roads (2x2 or more, grade seperated) then? 'Cause they should be in there imo...
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #10703
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There are no statistic about that, but 2x2+GP class is quite common especially in southern Poland. More than 1000km but that's regular roads not Highways.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #10704
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No. Droga Ekspresowa is Autobahn class road. Period. Also Poland have dual carriageways witch are no Autostrada or Droga Ekspresowa and they are not counted here.
Not really, there are even single carriageways, without any separation, denoted as Droga Ekspresowa, like 70km of S3 from Sulechów to Nowa Sól. Not sure if they're counted into such statistics, but I guess they are. Of course all or most of these ways will be eventually upgraded to the Autobahn class, but it's not yet so.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #10705
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Well, what's the total length of all these GP-class roads (2x2 or more, grade seperated) then? 'Cause they should be in there imo...
Statistic of grade-separated roads thad do not count as "autostrada/droga ekspresowa" made by Angulo (translation by me):

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2x2, 1x4 and other dual carriageways:

DK22 obwodnica Chojnic - .............................4
trasa W-Z Gdańsk - .....................................11,5
trasa Sucharskiego Gdańsk - ............................5,6
Trasa Kwiatkowskiego, Gdynia - ........................5,4
DK8/65 Trasa Generalska, Białystok - ..................5,5
DK8 za Białymstokiem- .....................................8,4
DK25 pod Bydgoszczą - ...................................5,4
DK62 obwodnica Serocka - ...............................6,3
DK60 most Solidarności, Płock - .........................4
Trasa Mostu Północnego, Warszawa - ...............4,2
Modlińska Warszawa - .....................................4,3
DK7 Wisłostrada -........................................... 21
DK8 Warszawa, Jeroz., P. Tysiąclecia, Trasa AK - .16
DW801 Wał Miedzeszyński - .............................3,6
Trasa Siekierkowska - .....................................8,1
DK 91/92 obwodnica Krośniewic - ......................6,7
DK14bis obwodnica Pabianic - ...........................5,6
DK92 Jana Henryk Dąbrowskiego, Poznań - ..........17,2
DK11 Wincentego Witosa, Poznań - ....................2,8
DK5 Glogowska Poznań - ...................................4,4
DK11 Bolesława Krzywoustego, Poznań - ..............7
Hetmańska, Poznań - ........................................1,7
DK5 Gniezno - ..................................................5
DK18 Olszyna - Golnice - ...................................70,9
DK8 Wrocław, ul. Krzywoustego - ul. Sobieskiego - 5,7
DK1 Aleja Wojska Polskiego, Częstochowa - ..........2,3
DK78 obwodnica Siewierza - ..............................5,7
DK88 Gliwice - Bytom - .....................................17,4
Aleja JPII Bytom - .............................................3
DW925 trasa N-S, Ruda Śląska (DTŚ - ul. 1 maja)...0,9
DW902/DK79 GOP (DTŚ - ka) - ...........................24
Aleja Zagłębia Dąbrowskiego, Sosnowiec - .............1,4
DK86 (DW913 - Piłsudskiego, Będzin) - ..................5
DK86 (Murckowska - Pszczyńska), Katowice - .........5,6
DK86 (ul. Górniczego Stanu - ul. Leśników, Katowice)..3,9
DK86 (ul. Leśników - Tychy) - ..........................6,2
DK94 koło Krakowa - ..........................................2,8
DK4 obwodnica Tarnowa - ..................................10,6
DK7 obwodnica Myślenic - ....................................4
DK78 obwodnica Jędrzejowa - ...............................8
Łącznik Rzeszów - A4 - ........................................4,4
DK12/17 Lublin (Rondo Dmowskiego - ul. Doświadczalna) - 5,2

Suma - ..................................................................................... 350,7 km

1x2 and other single carriageways:

DK22 obwodnica Chojnic - ...............................10,1
DK90 Kwidzyn - Jeleń - ......................................8
DK51 obwodnica Barcikowa -.............................2
DK16 obwodnica Ełku (bez DK65) - ....................2,2
DK19 obwodnica Wasilkowa..............................5,1
DK60 obwodnica Raciąża - ...............................4,6
DK50 obwodnica Żyrardowa - ..........................15,1
DK50 obwodnica Mszczonowa - ........................6,3
DK50 obwodnica Chynowa - .............................8,0
DK50 obwodnica Mińska - ...............................3,7
DK12 obwodnica Opoczna - ..............................7,8
DK15 Gniezno - ...............................................8,9
DK25 koło Kalisza - ..........................................8,3
DK22 obwodnica Lemierzyc - .............................3,1
DK32 obwodnica Sulechowa - .............................4
DK8 pod Wrocławiem - .....................................1,6
DK46 obwodnica Lublińca - ................................5,6
DK88 A4 – Gliwice - ...........................................8,2
obwodnica Bytomia - ........................................4,3
DK4 obwodnica Bochni - ......................................5
DK4 obwodnica Wojnicza - ..................................2,9
DK19 - obwodnica kraśnika - .................................5,2
DK4 obwodnica Jarosławia - ...................................11,3
DK9 obwodnica Głogowa Małopolskiego - ...................2

Suma - ...................................................................................... 143,3 km

Razem - ........................................................................... 350,7 + 143,3 = 494 km


Under construction

2x2 and other dual carriageways:

Trasa Sucharskiego II etap - ................................2,7
DK91 Toruń, nowy most nad Wisłą - .......................4,1
DK8 Trasa Generalska, Białystok - ...........................1,6
DK65 Trasa Generalska, Białystok - ..........................1,5
DW902 DTŚ-ka (DK88 - Zabrze) - .........................11,3
DK1 Tychy - .......................................................6
Lublin Al. Solidarności - ........................................3,8

Suma - ................................................................................. 31 km


1x2 and other single carriageways:

DK8 obwodnica Augustowa - ...............................23,3

Suma - ............................................................................... 23,3 km

Razem - ................................................................ 31 + 23,3 = 54,3 km



Environmental plan approved

2x2 and other dual carriageways:

Zachodnia Obwodnica Szczecina - .........................51
DK22 obwodnica Malborka - ..................................11,9
DK15/25 obwodnica Inowrocławia - ...........................23
DK50/79 obwodnica Góry Kalwarii - ..........................8,6
DK9 obwodnica Iłży - ............................................7,2
DK46 obwodnica Nysy - .........................................7,4
DK46 obwodnica Niemodlina - ................................11,4
DK79 obwodnica Chorzowa - ..................................8,5
Północna obwodnica Krakowa - ..............................14,1
DK47 Rdzawka - Nowy Targ - ................................16,2
DW925 trasa N-S, Ruda Śląska - ..............................4,9

Suma - .................................................................................... 164,2 km


1x2 and other single carriageways:

DK20 obwodnica Kościerzyny - ................................11
DK15 (DK16 - gr. woj. warmińsko - mazurskiego) -.... 47,4
DK32 obwodnica Kargowej - ..................................7,6
DK15 obwodnica Koźmina - ....................................5,9
DK8 obwodnica Wielunia - ....................................13,2
DK8 obwodnica Bełchatowa - ................................10,7
DK9 obwodnica Opatowa - ......................................5,8
DK4 obwodnica Przeworska - ..................................6,7

Suma - ............................................................. 108,3 km

Razem - ........................................................... 164,2 + 108,3 = 272,5 km
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #10706
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Not really, there are even single carriageways, without any separation, denoted as Droga Ekspresowa, like 70km of S3 from Sulechów to Nowa Sól. Not sure if they're counted into such statistics, but I guess they are.
There are 197,1 km S Class 1x2 roads.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #10707
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PS: don't think I'm defending the UK or anything, but it just looks like you're just trying to boost Poland's number and try to keep the numbers of other countries as low as possible. Which I don't think is fair.
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relax, the guys here are as much sensitive about Polish roads data as you are about the universal facts.

give them and yourself a break
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Old October 13th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #10708
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These are data from newspaper.
Above that even if you consider the corrections mentioned in this thread, our 5th place will not change.


And roads per area is a different statistic.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #10709
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our 5th place will not change.
6th in that list and it should be changed after the corrections cause Portugal has 2989 km of highways (instead of the 2547 posted).
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Old October 13th, 2013, 07:45 PM   #10710
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Guys, who cares about low quality minor text about highways, where data was not checked enough. Is it really thing to argue about?

The most important thing is that the number of highways is growing in Poland.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 02:13 AM   #10711
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The roads you mentioned like Hetmanska str Dabrowskiego str in Poznan are oridinary urban streets with traffic lights etc.


Coming back to the size of countries the UK around 250 sq km PL 310 sq km.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 03:37 AM   #10712
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Bloody hell, its seems like I have a deja vu.
I clearly remember similar discussion just a couple of years ago
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Old October 14th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #10713
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I meant thousands of sq kilometers :p
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Old October 14th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #10714
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just a couple of years ago
Well, I wasn''t on SSC back then
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:24 AM   #10715
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I now do wonder how much NL would get extra with 2x2 non-highway 'autowegen' (like your Droga ekspresowe) with grade seperation. It wont be a lot I presume. I can only come up with a few :P (N11, N31, N242, S112)
France however has a LOT of Route National km which are completely undistiguishable from regular French Motorways (except by signing and toll). Were those counted ?
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #10716
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My guess is that they're counted as motorways because of their similarity. It's strange that you don't have to pay toll for them but still.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #10717
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Strange because I can not see in these statistics DK92 Poznan - September with unless you do not qualify? Approximately 40 km

edit: I'm sorry I did not notice that this road collision

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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:50 AM   #10718
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France however has a LOT of Route National km which are completely undistiguishable from regular French Motorways (except by signing and toll). Were those counted ?
In Brittany ( NW France) and Corsica (SE) the Motorways are not tolled and are signed as RN. They are Motorway grade, always were. Especially the N165. Brittany also has expressway grade duals, eg the N24 and very mixed standard roads like the N175 which is part expressway and part S4 in places.

To confuse matters a non tolled Motorway ( signed as Motorway) was subsequently built in Brittany , that is the A84.
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Strange because I can not see in these statistics DK92 Poznan - September with unless you do not qualify? Approximately 40 km
Never use online translators again
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Old October 15th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #10720
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In Brittany ( NW France) and Corsica (SE) the Motorways are not tolled and are signed as RN. They are Motorway grade, always were. Especially the N165. Brittany also has expressway grade duals, eg the N24 and very mixed standard roads like the N175 which is part expressway and part S4 in places.

To confuse matters a non tolled Motorway ( signed as Motorway) was subsequently built in Brittany , that is the A84.
Same along the N10 across Les Landes. It was planned to upgrade it up to regular motorway standards as part of the A63, not sure what's about though.

In France, however, the extensive and coherent network is made of regular motorways, most of them tolled ones. Expressways are not a coherent network, but mostly a complementary one based on the motorways and mostly for regional, metropolitan and local traffic oriented. Only in Brittany and in les Landes they are part of the basic network. I think French authorities are not really interested in counting those additional kms
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