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Old November 17th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #10961
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I am not banking on a December opening for this section of the A4 anyway from the photos on the website it looks far from ready for traffic
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Old November 17th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #10962
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I agree that showing these places on distance signs is ridiculous, especially hundreds kilometres ahead, however they should stay on direction signs.
It seems to me that there should be a set of signs prior to the point of divergence for the car and truck routes. I agree that listing border villages on distance signs is ridiculous.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #10963
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Imho, border villages should only be signed after you've passed the last control city. Terespol is not relevant west of Warszawa.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #10964
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Name of the border crossing should also be signed. Why? Because some border crossings allow only passenger car traffic, while others allow also truck traffic, and there are also crossings that allow only trucks.

This of course doesn't apply to Schengen border crossings.
Is there any motorway border crossing closed for trucks in Poland??? If so there is specific road sign for that case, name of the border crossing doesn't really help for foreigners.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #10965
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Old November 18th, 2013, 02:39 AM   #10966
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Old November 18th, 2013, 03:43 PM   #10967
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Is there any data on how many ecoducts (wildlife overpasses) there are in Poland? I've read an article in a Dutch newspaper this morning claiming the Netherlands had the largest amount of ecoducts in the world, but I think Poland is catching up quickly, if not overtaken NL already.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #10968
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What were the numbers (for NL) cited in the article? I don't have the numbers for Poland, but we could try estimating that.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #10969
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It was about 40 or 43 I believe (both finished and under construction). About 30 of those were built in the last 8 years or so.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #10970
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It was about 40 or 43 I believe (both finished and under construction).
The country in between has 64 completed ecoducts.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #10971
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What about other EU countries, only NL and PL are so "eco"?
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Old November 18th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #10972
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It was about 40 or 43 I believe (both finished and under construction). About 30 of those were built in the last 8 years or so.
On A2 Świecko - Konotopa alone there are ~ 20 ecoducts (most of them, 14 IIRC, on Świecko - Nowy Tomyśl stretch), so overall I think we have no less than 60 of them...
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Old November 18th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #10973
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The country in between has 64 completed ecoducts.
I read that in 2011 they had 58 finished, 18 in construction and 55 more planned.

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What about other EU countries, only NL and PL are so "eco"?
In CZ there are around 10 I think.

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Old November 18th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #10974
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Is there any data on how many ecoducts (wildlife overpasses) there are in Poland? I've read an article in a Dutch newspaper this morning claiming the Netherlands had the largest amount of ecoducts in the world, but I think Poland is catching up quickly, if not overtaken NL already.
There are also wildlife underpasses (when a highway viaduct is not there because of a particular obstacle or it is much bigger than needed to cross an obstacle). Do they also count?
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Old November 18th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #10975
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I read that in 2011 they had 58 finished, 18 in construction and 55 more planned.
Germany seems to be the number one among the stupiest (green terror) nations .

The http://autobahnatlas-online.de shows 64 completed and 67 u/c and planned ecoducts on autobahnatlas relevant roads (according to latest update - October 2013 version).

4 ecoducts were opened in 2012/13. A couple of ecoducts were opened in late 2011.

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There are also wildlife underpasses (when a highway viaduct is not there because of a particular obstacle or it is much bigger than needed to cross an obstacle). Do they also count?
No.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 09:45 PM   #10976
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There are also wildlife underpasses (when a highway viaduct is not there because of a particular obstacle or it is much bigger than needed to cross an obstacle). Do they also count?
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No.
I don't think so either. Some underpasses are quite elaborate (to the point of longer span bridges), but many are just culverts with a small diameter.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #10977
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The German statistic contains only overpasses .
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Old November 19th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #10978
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Do they actually help? Any statistics on that?
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Old November 19th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #10979
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Old November 19th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #10980
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Do they actually help? Any statistics on that?
Of course! For instance the German A11 ecoduct near Joachimsthal was used more than 40,000 times in only 8 years. About 14 animals are crossing it per day (Source). The A1 ecoduct near Wittlich was used more than 8,000 times in only 4 years. About 6 animals per day (Source).
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