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Old December 26th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #11281
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I am not saying that Poland needs its East-West motorways for export only. The two East-West motorways would primarily service the biggest towns of the nation that are either on or well connected to the A2 and the A4.

Nonetheless, decent North-South corridors through the centre of the country have to come. Maybe demand for them was just slightly loser than demand for construction of the A2 and the A4 because North-South corridors often seem much more tied to two cities only rather than the strings of cities that sit along the A2 and the A4.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 11:38 AM   #11282
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Motorways are not the only roads that Poland builds

New bridge over Wisła in Kamień

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New bridge over Wisła in Połaniec

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Old December 28th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #11283
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50 km of eastern A4 Jarosław (Wierzbna) - Korczowa (UA border) by jarfi

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Old December 28th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #11284
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When is the Korczowa exit to DK94 supposed to open to traffic?
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Old December 29th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #11285
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Could someone explain to me why highway bridges from concrete are painted in Poland? Is that not just a waste of money and invitation for graffiti sprayer?
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Old December 30th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #11286
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I was thinking, that grey concrete is like invitation for kids with cans.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #11287
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Could someone explain to me why highway bridges from concrete are painted in Poland? Is that not just a waste of money and invitation for graffiti sprayer?
Structures are painted to protect concrete from atmospheric conditions.
Often even if concrete looks unpainted it still has protective layer, just transparent.
Now, about colors. Myslef I prefer natural, "concrete" color but unfortunately designers in Poland seems to have predominant view that the more cheerful and kitschy the color the better.
I think partially it is response to compensate for grayness during the communist era.

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I was thinking, that grey concrete is like invitation for kids with cans.
Grey or silly yellow or high-vis green they are all equally attractive for kids with cans. Unfortunately.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 01:08 AM   #11288
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I like the colors in PL
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Old December 30th, 2013, 05:35 AM   #11289
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Extention of DTS expressway in Upper Silesia between Zabrze and Gliwice:



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Old January 2nd, 2014, 10:31 AM   #11290
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Road construction - Expressway S8.

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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:57 AM   #11291
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Visualization of future S6 Kołobrzeg-Koszalin, direction Koszalin:
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 03:04 PM   #11292
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Very nice constructions. But, driving in Poland is still very unpleasant compared to Western Europe, not only for its still mainly bad road network, but also for its very aggressive, selfish drivers which are nothing more than public dangers on wheels. Already this week, a drunken driver hit and killed 6 pedestrians along with children for New Year's Eve. It is very sad to notice that PL has the worst death toll on roads in UE. As an example, driving at more than 100 km/h through villages or cities is just commonly accepted and widespread, completely ignoring the danger posed to pedestrians, children, old persons and other road users. Also, try to respect the speed limit and you always get drivers self proclaimed to "punish" you, by making fishtails or crushing the brakes after overtaking you, along other bad things, even if you are already going too fast for the road conditions. As a matter of fact, if Poles were to behave that way in Switzerland, most of them would already have lost their driver's license; but in Poland, it's considered as an extreme derogation, even if well deserved and justified. And dangerous drivers are always on the roads again. When this madness is going to stop?
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 03:16 PM   #11293
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Lithuania has the highest fatality rate in EU not Poland.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 03:25 PM   #11294
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Poland has the third highest rate though (2012), after Lithuania and Romania. Greece used to be worse, but is now slightly better, perhaps due to reduced traffic volumes, in 2010 Greece had the worst traffic safety in the EU.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 03:40 PM   #11295
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Overpass through Bystrzyca river valley at S12/S17 Lublin bypass:

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Old January 3rd, 2014, 04:17 PM   #11296
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Very nice constructions. But, driving in Poland is still very unpleasant compared to Western Europe, not only for its still mainly bad road network, but also for its very aggressive, selfish drivers which are nothing more than public dangers on wheels. Already this week, a drunken driver hit and killed 6 pedestrians along with children for New Year's Eve. It is very sad to notice that PL has the worst death toll on roads in UE. As an example, driving at more than 100 km/h through villages or cities is just commonly accepted and widespread, completely ignoring the danger posed to pedestrians, children, old persons and other road users. Also, try to respect the speed limit and you always get drivers self proclaimed to "punish" you, by making fishtails or crushing the brakes after overtaking you, along other bad things, even if you are already going too fast for the road conditions. As a matter of fact, if Poles were to behave that way in Switzerland, most of them would already have lost their driver's license; but in Poland, it's considered as an extreme derogation, even if well deserved and justified. And dangerous drivers are always on the roads again. When this madness is going to stop?
Oh, I think you exaggerate a lot. What you are writing about was truth maybe about 10 years ago, but since a couple of years it's slowly improving. Of course there are still many maniac drivers, but now it's a small minority I think. And it's not commonly accepted for sure.
What the more serious problem is, are the drunken drivers. I hope after this horrible accident you wrote about, the whole discussion in the mass media and in the parliament will lead to some substantial decisions.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 07:34 PM   #11297
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No, It is still correct. Maybe better than 10 years ago, but still as dangerous as can be compared to Austria, Germany, Sweden, USA. Italians are really bad drivers too, but at least they respect speed limits in cities.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 11:41 PM   #11298
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No, It is still correct. Maybe better than 10 years ago, but still as dangerous as can be compared to Austria, Germany, Sweden, USA. Italians are really bad drivers too, but at least they respect speed limits in cities.
Italians bad drivers ?! It's a joke ?
Where you saw that ?
I'm suprised italian forumers already have not protest against that.
But all of them don't respect speed limits in cities, particularly in the south and sicily.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 12:30 AM   #11299
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Italians bad drivers ?! It's a joke ?
From my experiences driving in Italy, I would say that the typical Italian drivers are skilled but not courteous or particularly safe.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 01:46 AM   #11300
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(...)driving at more than 100 km/h through villages or cities is just commonly accepted and widespread
That is a huge exaggeration. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but saying it's "commonly accepted" isn't true at all.
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When this madness is going to stop?
It is going to stop when more motorways and express way are built. It's as simple as that. Maybe not completely, but the scale will be much smaller.
At some point in the past someone decided it's ok for villages and towns to be built along the national roads. At that time there was very little traffic, so everything was fine. Later, since 1989 Poland experienced an enormous increase in the number of vehicles. People stopped travelling by trains and buses in favour of their own four wheels. But the roads weren't (you could say still aren't) ready for such traffic volume. Many bad decisions were made throughout the years regarding road construction, but it's finally getting better. And it's getting better really fast.
However, until travelling around takes waaay too much time than it should, people will be speeding. It's stupid, but time is money and no one wants to spend that time on the road.
To give you an example, on Friday afternoon a trip from Poznań to Wrocław (around 180 km) takes 3~3.5h. These are two biggest cities in Western Poland with sh*tload of people travelling between them. Plus there are also people generally travelling north or south bound on DK5. The road is far from perfect - it's single carriageway, goes through many towns and smaller cities. I'm sure when S5 express way is finished, 90% of people will not exceed the 120 km/h speed limit. It just won't be necessary.

We'll also see a huge change in the statistics. I'm pretty sure of that. Meanwhile speed cameras and police traps in the most dangerous places will have to do.

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Italians bad drivers ?! It's a joke ?
Where you saw that ?
Err... almost anywhere in Italy? The North is much better than the South, but I still wouldn't call that "good".
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