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Old January 11th, 2014, 12:39 PM   #11381
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* by briefly I mean that trucks move back to the right lane as soon as they passed the other truck, instead of continuing in one of the left lanes for some time to pass another vehicle further down the road.
… except when a truck is passing two or three or ten trucks, in which case the process can take up to ten to fifteen minutes, during which time cars back up for several kilometers behind the truck passing at 91 km/h.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #11382
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Speed limit for trucks on Polish motorway is 80kph, which is ~10kph lower than the truck's limiter. 10kph difference should be enough to overtake and not block the left lane for ever.

Also, if you ride a motorcycle with a young passenger (<7 yrs old), you can't exceed 40kph, and yet you can still drive on the motorway, since there's no minimal speed defined.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 03:01 PM   #11383
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For free ? You must be joking...

I wrote "nearly for free". How much does the EU pay for road construction projects in Poland? Around 70-80% of all costs?
So therefore I´m very happy when these projects are done by German companies because a big part of this EU help comes from Germany. A win-win situation.

An example for high-tech equipment "Made in Germany":
All tunnels in Poland (+ the second subway line in Warsaw) currently under construction or already completed are/were drilled by Herrenknecht TBMs!
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Old January 11th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #11384
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How many TBM builders are there actually in Europe? It seems that nearly all TBMs in Europe are built by Herrenknecht. For example, the new Sluiskil Tunnel in the Netherlands is built with a TBM made in Germany and operated by a German crew.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 04:50 PM   #11385
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if you ride a motorcycle with a young passenger (<7 yrs old), you can't exceed 40kph, and yet you can still drive on the motorway, since there's no minimal speed defined.
That's idiotic.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #11386
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How many TBM builders are there actually in Europe? It seems that nearly all TBMs in Europe are built by Herrenknecht. For example, the new Sluiskil Tunnel in the Netherlands is built with a TBM made in Germany and operated by a German crew.
To be honest I've never heard of another manufacturer of large TBM's elsewhere either. There must be some in Asia, but I couldn't name one. This kind of manufacturing (high tech, business to business) seems to be a German/Swiss specialty.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #11387
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Also, if you ride a motorcycle with a young passenger (<7 yrs old), you can't exceed 40kph, and yet you can still drive on the motorway, since there's no minimal speed defined.
There is no formal minimum speed, however you have to drive at a speed "not hindering other drivers". Also, vehicles which cannot reach 40km/h on a flat surface are forbidden from entering motorways. Given that, I would assume that driving slower than 40km/h is illegal.

So, if you ride a motorcycle with a kid younger than 7y/o, you have to drive exactly at 40km/h, am I right? Of course that's moronic and I've already seen some scooters driving ca. 50km/h on a shoulder of a motorway/expressway.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #11388
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To be honest I've never heard of another manufacturer of large TBM's elsewhere either. There must be some in Asia, but I couldn't name one. This kind of manufacturing (high tech, business to business) seems to be a German/Swiss specialty.
According to German wikipedia:
Herrenknecht and Wirth from Germany
Robbins from USA
Lovat from Canada
Mitsubishi, IHI, Kawasaki and Hitachi from Japan
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Old January 11th, 2014, 07:11 PM   #11389
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There is no formal minimum speed, however you have to drive at a speed "not hindering other drivers". Also, vehicles which cannot reach 40km/h on a flat surface are forbidden from entering motorways. Given that, I would assume that driving slower than 40km/h is illegal.
It's not illegal. The only thing they could ticket you for is hindering - probably depending on the traffic.

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So, if you ride a motorcycle with a kid younger than 7y/o, you have to drive exactly at 40km/h, am I right? Of course that's moronic and I've already seen some scooters driving ca. 50km/h on a shoulder of a motorway/expressway.
No. It's at most 40kph. Still no lower limit on motorway.
I doubt it would be possible to prove you were hindering since you were driving at your legal limit (40).
Also cars with trailers can go up to 80kph there.


Yup. I think that gives a good idea about 'quality' of law in Poland.
And, of course, we have 'letter of the law' rule.

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Old January 11th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #11390
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I wrote "nearly for free". How much does the EU pay for road construction projects in Poland? Around 70-80% of all costs?
So therefore I´m very happy when these projects are done by German companies because a big part of this EU help comes from Germany. A win-win situation.

An example for high-tech equipment "Made in Germany":
All tunnels in Poland (+ the second subway line in Warsaw) currently under construction or already completed are/were drilled by Herrenknecht TBMs!

Yes and on the other hand we have economic neocolonialism in Poland (and rest of the CEE) where almost all industries and sectors are in foreign hands.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 07:58 PM   #11391
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It's not illegal. The only thing they could ticket you for is hindering - probably depending on the traffic.



No. It's at most 40kph. Still no lower limit on motorway.
I doubt it would be possible to prove you were hindering since you were driving at your legal limit (40).
You're joking, right? If a police officer says that you were hindering traffic at 40 km/h on a motorway or expressway, a judge that would find you innocent would be rarer than roses in Antarctica. The maximum speed of your vehicle has nothing at all to do with it. If just one other vehicle had to slow down because you were driving 40 km/h, you would have been hindering.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #11392
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And that's bigger problem than the fact that we need more express- and motorways. If that will go on the way that goes now, we will become european Bangladesh. People will work for hunger rates for their "Lords from Western Europe". But LOOK!!! WE HAVE NEW ROAD!! And we can now BEG the LORDS to "invest" in our "country"!!! There will be 100 new jobs!!! Rejoice and be glad that They will Come!! So comparing the EU financing for "poor" countries to Marshall Plan is bulls*it.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 08:41 PM   #11393
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The flow of truck traffic in Europe is quite different than in North America. For instance, it's quite common in the U.S. to see trucks passing cars and even avoiding the right lane in urban areas. This is rather uncommon in Europe, where trucks are virtually always the slowest vehicles on the road (most countries limit trucks at 80 or 90 km/h) and stick to the rightmost lane except when briefly* passing others.

* by briefly I mean that trucks move back to the right lane as soon as they passed the other truck, instead of continuing in one of the left lanes for some time to pass another vehicle further down the road.
That's true, trucks travel waaay faster in the US.
I wonder how does it influence statistics of crashes.

Chris do you have any stats considering crashes involving trucks?
How does it compare with "nanny" Europe?
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Old January 11th, 2014, 09:16 PM   #11394
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Yes and on the other hand we have economic neocolonialism in Poland (and rest of the CEE) where almost all industries and sectors are in foreign hands.
Haha, so, better the way it was before?

I have no idea why so many people are concerned about location of corporate registration. Just reduce your corporate tax rate and red tape and you will find quickly all the AG's and Corp.'s change to Polish Spolka Akcyjna... money wants freedom...
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Old January 11th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #11395
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And that's bigger problem than the fact that we need more express- and motorways. If that will go on the way that goes now, we will become european Bangladesh. People will work for hunger rates for their "Lords from Western Europe". But LOOK!!! WE HAVE NEW ROAD!! And we can now BEG the LORDS to "invest" in our "country"!!! There will be 100 new jobs!!! Rejoice and be glad that They will Come!! So comparing the EU financing for "poor" countries to Marshall Plan is bulls*it.
Majority of works & supplies on motorway construction are done by local companies (as subcontractors).
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Haha, so, better the way it was before?

I have no idea why so many people are concerned about location of corporate registration. Just reduce your corporate tax rate and red tape and you will find quickly all the AG's and Corp.'s change to Polish Spolka Aktyna... money wants freedom...
It wasn't better before, but you are fooling yourself if you think that the origin of corporate giants do not matter at all. To become a rich country (as opposed to just middle income like most of Eastern Europe) you need your own multinationals. I can't think of any exceptions for reasonably sized countries (>1 million inhabitants) which do not sit on an enormous patch of crude oil. The reason for that is that the highest paid jobs in management, design and R&D almost invariably stay in the original country + 1-2 locations elsewhere. Every rich Western or East Asian country has their own world leading companies.

I work for a large multinational. We produce in many places and sell virtually everywhere, but R&D and factories with the highest added value are in Switzerland, UK and USA. A little bit of R&D also in India and China due to their size.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #11397
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Foreign capital has made us significantly richer country (and others such as Czech rep., Słovakia or Hungary) for the last 25 years because we were completely deprived own by communism. Moreover number of company belonging to Polish owners exporting their products to western countries like Solaris (producer of buses and trams) is growing now. Apart from that some western companies locate increasingly in Poland also R&D centres, so I don't think is so bad.
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Poland also has the advantage of a large domestic market, with a large middle class population.

Another key issue is that major corporations did not become so large through own growth, but through mergers and acquiring competitors.

Poland may be the largest country in Europe with no domestic car industry. All plants are from non-Polish brands. It would've been nice if Poland had its own car brand like Škoda or Dacia.
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It wasn't better before, but you are fooling yourself if you think that the origin of corporate giants do not matter at all. To become a rich country (as opposed to just middle income like most of Eastern Europe) you need your own multinationals. I can't think of any exceptions for reasonably sized countries (>1 million inhabitants) which do not sit on an enormous patch of crude oil. The reason for that is that the highest paid jobs in management, design and R&D almost invariably stay in the original country + 1-2 locations elsewhere. Every rich Western or East Asian country has their own world leading companies.

I work for a large multinational. We produce in many places and sell virtually everywhere, but R&D and factories with the highest added value are in Switzerland, UK and USA. A little bit of R&D also in India and China due to their size.
Indeed, a country without (big), domestically based, capital will hardly ever become really rich.
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Skoda belongs to Volkswagen and Dacia to Renault Beside this car market in the world is supersaturated so it's hard to break in that industry. Fortunately we are producer of buses (Solaris), trams (Solaris, Pesa) and trains (Pesa, Newag).
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