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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #11541
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But the look of a building is entirely subjective and can't cause an actual injury to anyone.
Not really. Some makes you want to gouge your eyes out, and some can get you into such stupor that you will crash a car. Same goes for billboards.





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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #11542
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Even those don't bother me... or at least not as much as forcing someone to not have the aesthetics of their property in the way they want to have it. If it is not our money, it is not our business.

I actually like that 2nd picture. It is the stereotypical III RP domu except taken to the next order of magnitude... If Yankunovitch had that monstrosity, this one is Tusk mansion It's crazy, it's wonderful.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:42 AM   #11543
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If you put that up a mountain down south and a bit of snow happened to fall on it then you have an entire extreme snowboarding facility ready for the Polish bid for the Winter Olympics in 2022. Might as well give the Slovaks a copy as well.

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I actually like that 2nd picture. It is the stereotypical III RP domu except taken to the next order of magnitude... If Yankunovitch had that monstrosity, this one is Tusk mansion It's crazy, it's wonderful.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 01:24 PM   #11544
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Sounds logical to me, much like you can't just burn your house if you don't want it anymore and you can't do the same with your trash even when it's the cheapest way to dispose them. Such actions would affect other people in a negative way so there have to be some rules and I don't see why things like look or the size of a building shouldn't be regulated. Even in Poland you can't just build additional floors when you feel like it because the building might collapse or block the sunlight to your neighbours but at the same time you can add some fake greek columns and paint it bright yellow because you hate everyone and want to make them suffer at least a bit when they have to come nearby.
People are way to fast with conclusions like ''affecting in a negative way''.

A good example is the N14 in The Hague, people opposed it as ''omg cars, woe is me, I'm a NIMBY moron'', in the end what happened is traffic through the actual neighborhood halved and properties rose in value since the new road.

And I hardly think adding a roof or garage for your caravan is affecting the street negatively.

Poland is still hugely better than Holland, over here you officially can't even touch your wiring without hiring an electrician, and in PL there is much less bureaucracy if you want to build or renovate your house.
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Not really. Some makes you want to gouge your eyes out, and some can get you into such stupor that you will crash a car. Same goes for billboards.
Personally I think that is far nicer than boring sameish stuff like this :







Terrible and boring
To completely ignore the terrible bureaucracy and all the rules and regulations over here .

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I actually very much like the house on your 2nd pic !
And those small shops have their charm imo.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 03:09 PM   #11545
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This is just an observation:

We seem to have gone off topic here. What do houses have to do with roads/construction? I know we don't have any road openings coming up in Poland any time soon but still
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Old February 25th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #11546
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Back to the sacking of Lech Witecki the head of GDDKia so. Funnily enough just after he was sacked (or as he was being sacked) the GDDKia hightailed it to the Supreme Court....in Dublin.

Word in Ireland is that GDDKia have made a provision in their 2014 budget for compensation payments to contractors. It appears that GDDKia disclosed this as part of this court case that GDDKia is taking in Ireland.

Last week (completely out of the blue) GDDKia showed up in court in Dublin as you can see here. They are referred to as the PRA ( Polish Road Authority) in the article.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime...risk-1.1696008

The complexity is caused by SIAC looking for €120m in Poland while the GDDKia is counterclaiming for €70m in Poland. Meanwhile SIAC are in a controlled bankruptcy process where they are expected to survive after most of their debts ( and that includes the GDDKia counterclaim I would think ....depending on the Supreme Court decision) are permanently written off and they have a clean looking balance sheet after today.....theoretically.

The case is in the Irish Supreme Court today, the rumours on the 2014 provision are apparently based on some documents that GDDKia have supplied to SIAC in the interim.

I will update with the result of the Supreme Court case later on today....and with any disclosures that are detailed.
GDDKia came to Dublin ( in a real hurry) only a day or two ( at most) after Lech was sacked. GDDKia may as well open an office in Dublin now seeing as other Irish contractors with claims outstanding in the Polish Courts may well bolt for examinership in 2014.

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Old February 25th, 2014, 04:28 PM   #11547
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How the Irish Superme Court may judge a litigaton between an Irish company and Polish Road Agency (GDDKiA) for construction of a road in Poland? What kind of litigation is it?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #11548
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How the Irish Superme Court may judge a litigaton between an Irish company and Polish Road Agency (GDDKiA) for construction of a road in Poland? What kind of litigation is it?
GDDKiA came to the Irish Supreme Court for a hearing last week.

The litigation would be technical and is probably about the notice that GDDKiA were given by the Examiner person (the insolvency expert) during the process. GDDKiA would consider themselves a creditor just like any other. SIAC consider GDDKiA to be their biggest debtor.

I'll be back with more info when I have it, don't worry.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 06:04 PM   #11549
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Understand. So the question whether any monies are due to SIAC or by SIAC will be decided in Poland; the court in Ireland should divide what it is able to collect and to suspend the proceedings till the litigation in Poland ends.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 06:04 PM   #11550
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GDDKiA came to the Irish Supreme Court for a hearing last week.

The litigation would be technical and is probably about the notice that GDDKiA were given by the Examiner person (the insolvency expert) during the process. GDDKiA would consider themselves a creditor just like any other. SIAC consider GDDKiA to be their biggest debtor.

I'll be back with more info when I have it, don't worry.
So, what happens if Irish court rules that GDDKiA owes money to Irish contractor or to some financial institution owning what's left of the given contractor after the insolvency process?
Is it enforceable in Poland?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 06:31 PM   #11551
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So, what happens if Irish court rules that GDDKiA owes money to Irish contractor or to some financial institution owning what's left of the given contractor after the insolvency process?
Is it enforceable in Poland?
They won't rule on that, the Polish Courts will. But GDDKia lost their case in Dublin today.

I only have an outline report so far. It looks bad for GDDKia, they seem to have come to Dublin with lots of claims and no evidence. The judgement will be released later this week in full and may be very unkind to GDDKia/

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[Lawyer], for the examiner, said, if this appeal was about protecting the Polish taxpayer, the [GDDKia] should have been in the matter from the outset and had also failed to produce evidence to support its claims concerning what it is owed.
Lets wait a few days to see what the judgement says.

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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #11552
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To be honest I am not surprised that Irish court rules against a Polish public institution.

I would be more worried about whether the changes in GDDKIA will lead to a softer GDDKIA = > i.e. what is the real reason for those changes.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #11553
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http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0225/506599-siac/

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The Supreme Court has dismissed an appeal by the [GDDKia] Polish Roads Authority against a survival scheme for construction company SIAC.

The decision clears the way for the implementation of a survival scheme for key companies in the group.

The Polish authority claims to be owed up to €70m by SIAC.
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If the GDDKia came to court claiming it was owed €70m...and basically provided NO EVIDENCE for that claim......God help them. The Supreme Court are very busy and have no time for time wasters. GDDKia had a week to file evidence and have had since 2012 to collect the evidence.

There is, of course, no doubt that the GDDKia could validly counterclaim against SIAC as a creditor but:

a) They went to a Supreme Court in an EU Country and offered no evidence underpinning this counterclaim. No evidence is highly insulting to any court and in a busy Supreme court it is even more insulting.
b) They had 70 days to furnish that counterclaim to the Examiner, and did not do.
c) And they tried to usurp due process/an established legal procedure in another EU country after the last moment (IE when the 70 days were up) .
d) Plus they have had since 2012 (when SIAC pulled out) to add up these figures for their counterclaim.

Remember that SIAC would only pay their creditors 5c to 10c in the € at most so even if the Examiner accepted the full counterclaim GDDKia would get €3.5m to €7m in cash instead of nothing as is now the case. Add €100k for legal expenses and the GDDKia lost _up to_ €7.1m today.

In terms of Claims and Counterclaims overall there are around €2.5BN of contractor claims against GDDKia in the Polish courts and probably at least €1bn of counterclaims by GDDKia against the contractors.

Now GDDKia get nothing and with a serious tonguelash of a judgement to follow that can be admitted in argument and quoted in EVERY Court in the EU. I would be sweating for the next few days were I a GDDKia inhouse lawyer.

No wonder they sacked Witecki. He should have fought every claim against GDDKia NO MATTER WHERE or HOW these claims are advanced and not relied solely on the Polish Courts.

But in fairness to the new woman in charge of GDDKia she did make an effort to show up in Dublin the minute she got the job... and a really crap effort overall.

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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #11554
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Old February 26th, 2014, 12:35 PM   #11555
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Still a long time until any more road openings in Poland
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Old February 26th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #11556
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S8/S14 southern part of Łódź ringroad should open soon. It's almost completed.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #11557
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Shouldn't the missing bit of S11 in Poznań open soon too?
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Old February 26th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #11558
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No, there are problems with crossing the Druzhba pipeline (Rurociąg Przyjaźń). Completing of S11 will be most likely delayed till autumn.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:37 PM   #11559
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S8/S14 southern part of Łódź ringroad should open soon. It's almost completed.

Is that the part between the S8/S14 junction at Róża and DK91? Obviously the S8/A1 interchange can't open until the A1 between Stryków and Tuszyn is completed in 2015

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Old February 26th, 2014, 03:04 PM   #11560
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Which sections of the S8 will go in construction soon?
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