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Old March 26th, 2014, 04:16 AM   #11761
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I don't believe the cost difference (between an interesting design and a boring design) for the engineering is more than 0.01% of the total cost of the bridge, in most cases.
Maybe 0,0001???
Are you serious?
Are saying saying that this:

With all the massive steel arch which requires lot's of temporary support and precise welding to get assembled in the first place before we even start doing anything with the suspended deck.

Is no more expensive than this:

Simple structure which almost every contractor can build with closed eyes using few basic tools
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Old March 26th, 2014, 05:30 AM   #11762
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Are you serious?
Are saying saying that this:
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7924/q1v3.jpg
With all the massive steel arch which requires lot's of temporary support and precise welding to get assembled in the first place before we even start doing anything with the suspended deck.

Is no more expensive than this:
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9600/awyn.jpg
I wrote about the engineering cost, which is what you had been on about.
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I don't believe the cost difference (between an interesting design and a boring design) for the engineering is more than 0.01% of the total cost of the bridge, in most cases.
If you want to compare cost of materials, then include the externalities as well, such as the massive greenhouse gas emissions from using concrete and the virtually 100% recyclability of steel versus the uselessness of used concrete.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 12:24 PM   #11763
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Come May when the bridge finally opens to traffic
They keep saying about 30th June, not May.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 12:29 PM   #11764
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I wrote about the engineering cost, which is what you had been on about.
I was talking about the total cost to the taxpayer. I'm 99% sure that first example is more expensive, and not by mere 0,1 percent as you imply.

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If you want to compare cost of materials, then include the externalities as well, such as the massive greenhouse gas emissions from using concrete and the virtually 100% recyclability of steel versus the uselessness of used concrete.
So, now apart from saving lives (by not letting drivers fall asleep, unlike for example in Ireland or the UK where due to the boring bridge design people fall asleep constantly and die in their hundreds) our funky bridges also save planet?

Bloody hell.

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Old March 26th, 2014, 04:18 PM   #11765
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first, it would be good to know total cost of that bridges you posted.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 03:51 PM   #11766
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Good Job Poland! Great development of Roads!
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Old March 29th, 2014, 09:59 PM   #11767
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Proof that animals still roam free in many places in Poland and animal crossings (expensive as they usually are) become necessities not luxuries.

Photo taken by Matss at the construction site (S8) just outside of Warsaw.

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Old March 29th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #11768
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Animals in Poland even know that to cross the street one needs to do it at green light only. Police approves



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Old March 29th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #11769
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He knows he needs to cross there only because he has noticed policja watching
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Old March 30th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #11770
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Fresh concrete on S8 Walichnowy-Lodz by fazi10



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Fresh asphalt on A1 Wloclawek-Kowal by janusz.mak



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Old March 30th, 2014, 04:03 AM   #11771
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He knows he needs to cross there only because he has noticed policja watching
lucky bastard he was not fined by polish traffic wardens lol
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Old March 30th, 2014, 04:33 AM   #11772
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indeed as they are waiting

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Old March 30th, 2014, 04:54 PM   #11773
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Construction of S11 near Poznan:

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Old March 31st, 2014, 07:20 PM   #11774
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(...) Fresh asphalt on A1 Wloclawek-Kowal by janusz.mak



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Do we have final layer on all missing length?
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Old March 31st, 2014, 07:52 PM   #11775
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Not yet. See Agusia's diagram: http://i.imgur.com/p1egsZx.jpg
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Old March 31st, 2014, 09:00 PM   #11776
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Highway A4 from Korczowa (Border PL/UA) to Dębica

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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:42 PM   #11777
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Overview of motorways and expressways


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Old April 3rd, 2014, 09:56 PM   #11778
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piątek, 28.03.2014



edit: cd. z piątku













i może uda mi się jeszcze dzisiaj dorzucić to jedno wczorajsze
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 11:06 PM   #11779
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Almost 1 kilometre lenght overpass on Bystrzyca river valley (S12/S17/S19 Lublin bypass):

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April 2014




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Old April 3rd, 2014, 11:28 PM   #11780
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2848km ?

I thought it was more. Ex Yugoslavia combined has about 2675 km of motorway and expressway, yet only half the population.

When did Poland start building motorways etc?
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