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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #1161
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Next part about A-4:



Construction site of the future A-1/A-4 interchange in Silesia region:






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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:49 AM   #1162
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I was on highway from Krakow to Katowice/Sosnowiec yesterday... How can they charge 13 zlots for a road in that condition? There is more construction than normal road.


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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #1163
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I was on highway from Katowice/Sosnowiec to Krakow yesterday... How can they charge 13 zlots for a road in that condition? There is more construction than normal road.
We in Poland still ask ourselves this question. But in opposite direction (toward Wroclaw) A-4 is for free and there are almost no construction or renovation works.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #1164
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But in opposite direction (toward Wroclaw) A-4 is for free and there are almost no construction or renovation works.


As I was saying... Poland just keeps suprising me!
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:42 PM   #1165
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Last year I used the A4 from Kraków to the exit for Oswiecim, and I had to pay tolls.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 01:07 PM   #1166
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The A4 between Katowice and Kraków is quite old, I remember it being in a detoriated shape in 2003, yet far better than the A4 was between Wroclaw and Olszyna.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #1167
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The A4 between Katowice and Kraków is quite old, I remember it being in a detoriated shape in 2003, yet far better than the A4 was between Wroclaw and Olszyna.
In 1999 or 2000, A4 from Legnica till Wrocław was total crap, concrete plates were higher than the second, and totally crazy pavement!
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Old August 29th, 2008, 01:25 PM   #1168
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Yeah, we called it "the longest stairway in Europe".
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Old August 29th, 2008, 01:36 PM   #1169
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I believe they renovated it in 2004/2005.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #1170
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I was on highway from Krakow to Katowice/Sosnowiec yesterday... How can they charge 13 zlots for a road in that condition? There is more construction than normal road.
This ended up in court twice as some politicians and citizens sued and demanded clarifications. Unfortunately the court sided with the company responsible for collecting tolls and maintaining the highway. It ruled that collecting tolls is ok while upgrades are being performed. So even though some stretches are being repaved you still pay the full amount.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 05:15 PM   #1171
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You have to expect some delays on Poland's motorways as the network can't be expanded without digging up some parts of existing motorways - I mean has anyone seen the photos of the mess that's been made of the A18 at Krzyzowa to accomodate the new A4 interchange? (for photos type in A4 motorway in Poland in Wikipedia and follow the links - photos of the Zgorzelec - Kyzyzowa section at the bottom of the page)
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Old August 29th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #1172
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In October 2008, another section of the A1 Swarożyn – Nowe Marzy (65km) will be ready for use.

Taken from Ministry of Infrastructure in Poland website
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Old August 29th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #1173
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Anyway... I had a great time in Poland.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #1174
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Currently contract for constructing A2 Świecko-Nowy Tomyśl in Ministry of Infrastructure ! 1 km of this motorway will cost 12,2 millions Euro and it will have concrete surface. Construction will start in March '09
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM   #1175
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Congratulations!!! Section is 105 km long, that makes 1.2 billion EUR. Ain't that a little bit too expensive?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:22 PM   #1176
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It is... they could finish negotiations earlier, governemnt wanted cheaper, time was going and they have what they have now...
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Old August 30th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #1177
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Congratulations!!! Section is 105 km long, that makes 1.2 billion EUR. Ain't that a little bit too expensive?
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Old August 30th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #1178
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For 1.2 billion EUR, that road must be made out of gold!
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Old August 30th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #1179
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The company says this is a total cost - including design plans, the cost of toll booths with their infrastructure and of complete rest areas - with filling stations and restaurants. They say all these costs add up to about 1,5 mln EUR / km. So the mororway itself costs about 10,7 mln EUR per km - still a lot...

The construction costs in Poland have gone up dramatically since we joined the EU. There was a boom in the construction market - not only because the infrastructure investments - also residential and commercial buildings are popping up everywhere...
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Old August 30th, 2008, 10:12 PM   #1180
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Anyway... I had a great time in Poland.
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