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Old April 4th, 2014, 05:34 AM   #11781
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When did Poland start building motorways etc?

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Old April 4th, 2014, 05:48 AM   #11782
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My grandfather told me of the time "Hitler" wanted to put a highway through his house in Sandomierz during the war. I don't think so though, I am thinking it might have been the original II RP autostrada plan of mid 1930's instead from Wawa to Przemysl

Interestingly what I have seen of the II RP autostrada plans, they also had the "two tier" superior route system (like current autostrada vs droga ekspresowa). Anyway, the interest and need in PL for first class road network is as old as other countries, it seems only political problems (and economic conditions resulting from political problems) held it back...
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Old April 4th, 2014, 02:43 PM   #11783
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My grandfather told me of the time "Hitler" wanted to put a highway through his house in Sandomierz during the war. I don't think so though, I am thinking it might have been the original II RP autostrada plan of mid 1930's instead from Wawa to Przemysl

Interestingly what I have seen of the II RP autostrada plans, they also had the "two tier" superior route system (like current autostrada vs droga ekspresowa). Anyway, the interest and need in PL for first class road network is as old as other countries, it seems only political problems (and economic conditions resulting from political problems) held it back...
You should be happy that there are no additional terrain problems in Poland.
Bosnia e.g is struggling to build the first 100 km of motorways, as they have to be built through massive mountains and over canyons
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Old April 4th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #11784
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Do they still accept US Dollars at toll stations these days?
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Old April 4th, 2014, 08:15 PM   #11785
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Do they still accept US Dollars at toll stations these days?
PPP lots:
http://autostrada-a2.pl/en/tolls/discounts
http://autostradaa1.pl/amber-one/opl...-platnosci/?en,
http://www.autostrada-a4.pl/tolls/to...ods-of-payment

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http://www.viatoll.pl/en/pojazdy-lek...lny/payments-3
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Old April 4th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #11786
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I see, so GDDKiA does not accept USD, but the concession companies do.

Who would pay with USD? Truckers from eastern (non-EU) Europe?
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Old April 4th, 2014, 08:31 PM   #11787
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Who would pay with USD? Truckers from eastern (non-EU) Europe?
Yes, USD are still very common in Eastern Europe. Introduction of EUR changed a lot, but the further to the east, the less important it is.

BTW, 10-15 years ago prices of land around Warsaw for housing development were given in USD...
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Old April 4th, 2014, 08:41 PM   #11788
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I see, so GDDKiA does not accept USD, but the concession companies do.

Who would pay with USD? Truckers from eastern (non-EU) Europe?
It's only for cars. Every truck ≥ 3,5 and every car with trailer (over 3,5 t. combination) must use viabox.
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Old April 4th, 2014, 09:41 PM   #11789
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Yes, USD are still very common in Eastern Europe. Introduction of EUR changed a lot, but the further to the east, the less important it is.

BTW, 10-15 years ago prices of land around Warsaw for housing development were given in USD...
I know in Romania, for example, many transactions, like buying a car or apartment or second hand other stuff, was done in Deutsche Mark. USD was also used but not that often. After EURO was "born" everything changed to it.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #11790
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Old April 5th, 2014, 09:06 PM   #11791
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Yes, USD are still very common in Eastern Europe. Introduction of EUR changed a lot, but the further to the east, the less important it is.

BTW, 10-15 years ago prices of land around Warsaw for housing development were given in USD...
Yes, in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, the USD is still king. I have a friend who is paid in USD every month - they have mostly American clients, and the money is paid into a Polish USD account rather than risk transferring USD into the unstable Ukrainian banking system. Strangely enough, the Euro hasn't taken much of a hold, not even in L'viv.

I've noticed that commercial property in Poland still tends to be priced in Euro rather than Zloty for higher end developments. I've also seen some properties (kamienicas in particular) priced in Euro. But it's certainly not common.

As for Poland and the amount of roads, it's worth bearing in mind that Croatia poured a hell of a lot of money into the A1 as a prestige project. Quite a lot of the A3 was already built in Yugoslavia, and the other motorways aren't very long. Serbia too benefitted from the "Highway of Brotherhood and Unity" being constructed in Yugoslav times, as well as gaining hugely from the "foreigner" tolls levied on the main North-South motorway.

Interestingly, in Yugoslavia too, the DM was king, not the USD. But not in Poland, I wonder why?
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Old April 5th, 2014, 09:32 PM   #11792
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Interestingly, in Yugoslavia too, the DM was king, not the USD. But not in Poland, I wonder why?
Perhaps Yugoslavia was less closed to foreign (western) investment than Poland in communist times. Back in the 1980s Yugoslavia was quite a popular tourist destination for Germans.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 09:35 PM   #11793
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Interestingly, in Yugoslavia too, the DM was king, not the USD. But not in Poland, I wonder why?
The reason why the USD was king in Poland during the occupation is that tens of thousands of Polish Americans retired in Poland and received American pensions in USD.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #11794
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Perhaps Yugoslavia was less closed to foreign (western) investment than Poland in communist times. Back in the 1980s Yugoslavia was quite a popular tourist destination for Germans.
And they had cheap western credits?
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Old April 6th, 2014, 08:25 PM   #11795
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15 years ago in Serbia the main currency was German Mark,even we had "Dinars" many people were using German Mark.
( "Dinars" are our national currency )
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Old April 6th, 2014, 08:56 PM   #11796
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It's only for cars. Every truck ≥ 3,5 and every car with trailer (over 3,5 t. combination) must use viabox.
No, they do not need to have and may not use viaBOX on concession companies sections.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #11797
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The reason why the USD was king in Poland during the occupation is that tens of thousands of Polish Americans retired in Poland and received American pensions in USD.
Was it really so many?

USD being sent is understandable, but I've never heard about any significant emigration from the US to the PRL by retired people.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #11798
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Yeah it would seem low, after spending so much work to get out of PRL how could one go back, mind you was excellent tourist destination if you had some USD in pocket near the end and made sure to not rent your own hotel (rather get someone local to rent in their name in PLZ)
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Old April 7th, 2014, 12:39 AM   #11799
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Think about how a Polish-American with 500 or 1000 USD per month was able to live in the 1970s in Poland versus the USA. One could either be insanely wealthy in Poland or barely able to buy food in the USA. Many retired in Poland. I was told by one of them that it was tens of thousands, but I don't have any verifiable sources. It seems right to me.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 12:46 AM   #11800
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Does anyone know how exactly they plan to build the A1 between Piotrkow Trybunalski and Czestochowa? It seems to me that traffic is too heavy to divert both directions onto one carriageway while they rebuild the other. Once they have one three-lane carriageway, then that could temporarily carry 2+2 traffic while they build the second new carriageway.
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