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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #11861
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What on earth is this? This is one of the more stupid things you'll see in the Netherlands. And now Poland too...

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Ten sposób na wszystkich ulicach znacząco wpłynąłby na poprawę BRD.


Jest też "instrukcja obsługi"
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:25 PM   #11862
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What on earth is this? This is one of the more stupid things you'll see in the Netherlands. And now Poland too...
Normal traffic calming measures. Way too many signs instead of doing "30 zone" but apart from that, nothing stupid.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #11863
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Normal ... nothing stupid.
It seems our opinions vary dramatically on this. This is just ridiculous.
Why is that road 30 km/h anyway?
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #11864
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Normal traffic calming measures. Way too many signs instead of doing "30 zone" but apart from that, nothing stupid.
This is not normal, it's ridiculous. Apart from the question whether this road actually needs a 30 km/h speed limit, you don't need 8 of such obstacles. This is over-engineered and a waste of money because it needs more repairs. It's a road, not an obstacle course.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #11865
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it's idiotic...
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #11866
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Isn't it the best way to avoid more accidents Much more effective than another "black point" or information campaign.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #11867
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Is there a street view link of this location?
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:49 PM   #11868
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Forumers from Warsaw should help. I've just read that according to them it was popular place for night races.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 11:57 PM   #11869
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Apart from the question whether this road actually needs a 30 km/h speed limit, you don't need 8 of such obstacles.
You might be right about overengineering. On the other hand, there is an issue of Poligh drivers which are using that road.

The street is Wał Zawadowski, Warsaw, Poland. Street view photos seem to be older, though.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #11870
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The street is Wał Zawadowski, Warsaw, Poland. Street view photos seem to be older, though.
For other people: https://maps.google.nl/maps?q=Wa%C5%...333.34,,0,1.75

And Streetview is always older. Streetview-images are from 2011.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #11871
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What on earth is this? This is one of the more stupid things you'll see in the Netherlands. And now Poland too...
This stupidity has made its way to Poland... WHY?!?!? Also looking at the link keokiracer posted why was any of this done? That road is empty and there is nothing on it. What justifies a 30km/h speed limit and now the over engineered ridiculousness?
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Old April 25th, 2014, 02:51 AM   #11872
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Isn't it the best way to avoid more accidents Much more effective than another "black point" or information campaign.
How? Normally the road, you can drive 200 km/h and not crash. But now, if you drive even 20 km/h, you will either crash post on the side and die, or crash head-on other car and also die. What safety?!
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Old April 25th, 2014, 11:08 AM   #11873
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Isn't it the best way to avoid more accidents Much more effective than another "black point" or information campaign.
The best way is to block the road completely. No accidents then...
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Old April 25th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #11874
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Normal traffic calming measures. Way too many signs instead of doing "30 zone" but apart from that, nothing stupid.
This pic has actually very long depth, look at the reailway "milestones" on the right.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #11875
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This stupidity has made its way to Poland... WHY?!?!? Also looking at the link keokiracer posted why was any of this done? That road is empty and there is nothing on it. What justifies a 30km/h speed limit and now the over engineered ridiculousness?
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Because some rednecks organized NASCAR-style racing there. "Non academic sport centered around rednecks"
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Old April 25th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #11876
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Because some rednecks organized NASCAR-style racing there. "Non academic sport centered around rednecks"
Last time I heard we had police force in Poland. It is their job to punish such idiots.
Otherwise we'll end up as a country with traffic sign on every meter of road and calming measure on every second meter.

But no, they prefer to chase old grannies crossing local streets in the wrong places or chasing "speeding" cyclists in some cities.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #11877
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It's very good way to force drivers to obey the speed limit.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #11878
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A speed limit that fits the road would be even better.

You don't fix a poor design with road signs and unrealistically low speed limits.

30 km/h zones should be reserved for streets with sidewalks, streetside parking, narrow lanes, children playing, houses directly alongside, etc. Not some half-rural road with a political speed limit.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 01:49 AM   #11879
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Because some rednecks organized NASCAR-style racing there. "Non academic sport centered around rednecks"
When I was in Warsaw I saw people street race right in the city center, literally by the central train station and Palace of Culture. Yet they are concerned about a road that has very little traffic and very few people living along it. When did Poland start acting like America? What a waste of money.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 01:52 AM   #11880
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I guess, Poland is so rich now they are not sure what to do... I mean everyone drinks water out of bottles, hell I drive Mercedes but no way I could be rich enough to drink water only from bottle gazowana or nie

In Warsaw the roads are so nice and wide generally probably they aren't actually racing. I noticed a couple times just roaming around that I was at 100 km/h without noticing. I did notice after I saw the fotoradar sign

But that particular road along the tracks is just crazy. I mean, even 50 limit seems wrong. Probably should be a 70 zone, but instead, obstacle course?! Clearly no noise issue as it is next to train tracks, and no pedestrian issue, and only a few driveways on one side only (so again, no real issue)
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