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Old April 27th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #11881
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I guess, Poland is so rich now they are not sure what to do... I mean everyone drinks water out of bottles, hell I drive Mercedes but no way I could be rich enough to drink water only from bottle gazowana or nie

In Warsaw the roads are so nice and wide generally probably they aren't actually racing. I noticed a couple times just roaming around that I was at 100 km/h without noticing. I did notice after I saw the fotoradar sign
Haha one does not simply ask for just water in Poland. No they were racing, it was after midnight sometime so the streets were fairly empty. I remember one was a Ford Focus RS, an awesome hatchback we do not have in the US.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 09:33 AM   #11882
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What on earth is this? This is one of the more stupid things you'll see in the Netherlands. And now Poland too...

What mean the sign
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Old April 27th, 2014, 09:35 AM   #11883
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It tells drivers what to do in case of oncoming vehicles.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #11884
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Ring road in Warsaw:

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Old April 27th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #11885
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Great photo of Warsaw ring road. It will look even better when construction starts next year on extending it further east
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Old April 27th, 2014, 04:44 PM   #11886
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Great photo of Warsaw ring road. It will look even better when construction starts next year on extending it further east
Construction will start (most probably) in 2016. Year 2014 is for tender, 2015 for detailed design & its approval. First construction activities will begin in winter 2015/2016 (demolition, deforesting, de-anything-on-our-way).
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Old April 27th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #11887
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Very nice picture and scheme of the Warsaw Ring Road! Thank you .

Also, for the opening planned dates, I've found a similar scheme, posted in 2007 on this forum.
It looks like there was a "kind" of delay, since we'll all be driving around Warsaw Ring "Autobahn" for a while now .
But, what's good news is better in near future than never (if there is not another "delay" of this kind) .
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Old April 27th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #11888
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What's the deal with S 7, it's going to enter the city by the recently opened S 79 directly? I guess the S 7 would branch off where it now seems to lose S level and be the 4 lane + intersections DK 7?
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Old April 27th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #11889
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Of course: http://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/eng.html.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 06:03 PM   #11890
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What about the S2/S8 junction?:


S2/S8 junction: one of the most important traffic axis in Warsaw, connection Southern Ring Road with the Northern one.
It's a very strange portion, as the road turns sharply to the right, but the roadway is oriented in the opposite direction.
At the opening of this section, the speed limit was here 50 km/h, but was afterwards increased to 70 km/h.
Lots of people have complained about this very part of Ring Road, however response from GDDKIA was that "all legal technical requirements were respected".


Few hundred meters before the "infamous" junction.

Yet, It seems like there was a "default of conception" somewhere .
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Old April 27th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #11891
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Lublin's access road (Solidarnosci Avenue extension towards the bypass).

View towards city center (from Glowna Street).

1. September 2012


2. April 2014
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Old April 29th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #11892
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Old April 30th, 2014, 12:52 PM   #11893
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This pic has actually very long depth, look at the reailway "milestones" on the right.
I know, but there is still way too many signs, like "yield to oncoming traffic" every dozen meters or so.


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30 km/h zones should be reserved for streets with sidewalks, streetside parking, narrow lanes, children playing, houses directly alongside, etc. Not some half-rural road with a political speed limit.
From what I gather, there is quite a lot of bicycle traffic there. And Polish drivers are not the best on sharing narrow roads with cyclists.

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In Warsaw the roads are so nice and wide generally probably they aren't actually racing. I noticed a couple times just roaming around that I was at 100 km/h without noticing. I did notice after I saw the fotoradar sign
Yeah, it is actually a problem in many cities, not only it encourages speeding but takes unnecessary amount of space too.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 01:18 PM   #11894
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When I was in Warsaw I saw people street race right in the city center, literally by the central train station and Palace of Culture. Yet they are concerned about a road that has very little traffic and very few people living along it. When did Poland start acting like America? What a waste of money.
Check out Munich, you will see lots of nouveau rich bumpkins with big money and BMW's. Pedestrian here is an obstacle.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #11895
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Old April 30th, 2014, 01:44 PM   #11896
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It's a very strange portion, as the road turns sharply to the right, but the roadway is oriented in the opposite direction.
That would mean the cross-slope (also called "cant") is applied in the wrong direction. If a road turns to the right, the road should slope down from left to right to allow higher speeds in curves.

However, it's hard to judge based on photos which are zoomed a lot. It would be weird for Poland to have such errors since this is pretty much engineering 101.

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Old April 30th, 2014, 02:00 PM   #11897
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From what I gather, there is quite a lot of bicycle traffic there. And Polish drivers are not the best on sharing narrow roads with cyclists.
''a lot'' ? To make such roads 30 km/h is plainly retarded and the people responsible are a bunch of anti social anti car no good idiots imho.

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Yeah, it is actually a problem in many cities, not only it encourages speeding but takes unnecessary amount of space too.
Encourages ? Allows you mean, it's a godsend for getting from A to B in the later hours.
You can like, actually get somewhere at decent speed. Problem? You mean good design .

The reason I love the streets of Warsaw is exactly because they are so wide and nice to drive on outside of busy hours ( ignoring the rut and potholes haha). The view from the street also looks much nicer with wide streets.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 02:08 PM   #11898
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''a lot'' ? To make such roads 30 km/h is plainly retarded and the people responsible are a bunch of anti social anti car no good idiots imho.
Yeah, because 50 to 30 is such a big difference. I can agree that someone went overboard with speed bumps, tho.

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Encourages ? Allows you mean, it's a godsend get from A to B in the later hours.
You can like, actually get somewhere at decent speed.
In the later hours, you can get somewhere even on narrower lane. During rest of the day they only encourage idiots like that one:




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I hate the narrow crappy streets we get here, even in a bombed city like Rotterdam, the (inner city) roads are a pathetic disgrace. So narrow and small .
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Old April 30th, 2014, 02:11 PM   #11899
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It would be weird for Poland to have such errors since this is pretty much engineering 101.
So NL fails at Engineering 101 (N231 --> N201 at flower auction Aalsmeer)?
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Old April 30th, 2014, 04:30 PM   #11900
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However, it's hard to judge based on photos which are zoomed a lot. It would be weird for Poland to have such errors since this is pretty much engineering 101.
The problem is that the main road turns left here, so the cross-slope has to be applied in this direction. The slope of the connector changes after it diverges from the main road. The only way to avoid this would be to start the connector way earlier, so the cross-slopes of the main road and the connector could be separate, but someone decided it's not big enough of a deal to justify costly changes to the design. I think I agree, some people complain about this turn, but I see no problem, going 70 there I'm more than comfortable. It could be unpleasant driving a car in bad technical condition there doing 120km/h, but I really wouldn't worry too much about that...
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