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Old April 30th, 2014, 04:33 PM   #11901
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Is it also safe in less-than-optimal conditions? 70 km/h may be safe with dry surface, but what if it is wet or icy? You should be able to drive the posted limit when it's wet because most people won't drive much slower unless it's obviously slippery in winter conditions.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #11902
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''a lot'' ? To make such roads 30 km/h is plainly retarded and the people responsible are a bunch of anti social anti car no good idiots imho.



Encourages ? Allows you mean, it's a godsend for getting from A to B in the later hours.
You can like, actually get somewhere at decent speed. Problem? You mean good design .

The reason I love the streets of Warsaw is exactly because they are so wide and nice to drive on outside of busy hours ( ignoring the rut and potholes haha). The view from the street also looks much nicer with wide streets.
I live in a country where from very strict laws and punishment, we became auto/moto "paranoid" - already the Joe driver is a "serious criminal" for nothing; I believe that any tougher taxes and restrictions are now plausible to pass; so do recent general rises in insurance policies and resident parking "taxes"; parking fees, fines and criminal sentences are at a worldwide record level. Next step, is to forbid cars from cities and villages (not only historical centers, which they are already forbid for decades), and I wouldn't be surprised if such things would become reality in near future .
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Old April 30th, 2014, 04:59 PM   #11903
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S17 northwest of Lublin. Was this section of insufficient quality?

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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #11904
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Is it also safe in less-than-optimal conditions? 70 km/h may be safe with dry surface, but what if it is wet or icy? You should be able to drive the posted limit when it's wet because most people won't drive much slower unless it's obviously slippery in winter conditions.
Well, my faith in GDDKiA and people who design roads for them is very limited when it comes to speed limits, but they're usually overly pessimistic so to speak, not the other way around. I've driven there only a couple of times, including this winter when it was slushy, but don't recollect having any problems with traction. Some people complain though so maybe I'm wrong and it's not as safe as it seems to me.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:20 PM   #11905
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The problem is that the main road turns left here, so the cross-slope has to be applied in this direction. The slope of the connector changes after it diverges from the main road. The only way to avoid this would be to start the connector way earlier, so the cross-slopes of the main road and the connector could be separate, but someone decided it's not big enough of a deal to justify costly changes to the design. I think I agree, some people complain about this turn, but I see no problem, going 70 there I'm more than comfortable. It could be unpleasant driving a car in bad technical condition there doing 120km/h, but I really wouldn't worry too much about that...
Unfortunately, Google maps has an outdated satellite image of this section - it was when it was u/c - as the Google street view is anymore actual.

Hopefully, I've just drove this week on this portion: A few hundred meters before, the speed drop from 120 km/h to 90, and finally to 70 km/h; they are now many "slowdown bands" which are always uncomfortable to drive on, as they vibrate a lot your vehicle - it's also quite surprising to see them on a motorway!. After, you begin the "infamous" right turn - which arrows are now "flashing" and an extra white-red reflective layer was painted on the barrier - you are "ejected" to the opposite side of the turn (I was driving only 60 km/h and felt it!) at first hundred meters of the sharp turn, after, the roadway gently returns to the side of the turn. Already, police was awaiting for speeders "majówka" at the end of the turn . If the road was wet and "NORMAL" drivers were to pass on it at higher speed; lot of mechanics are already blinking .

Also, It's quite strange to see such a "thrifty" junction on such an important axis .
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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #11906
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S17 northwest of Lublin. Was this section of insufficient quality?
The problem was with ground (road consequently) subsidence under road on 240 metres lenght section. Experts claimed that it was caused by projecting mistakes. Executor (Budimex company) have to repair this section on his own cost (insurance). All 7 kilometre length section Jastków - Lublin should be opened in the end of August.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #11907
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S17 northwest of Lublin. Was this section of insufficient quality?
If you look closely at the photo, you can see that there are dips. The embankment subsided. They need to reconstruct ~700m of road in this area.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #11908
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last stretch of A1 between Gdańsk and Łódź opened for traffic!

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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:38 PM   #11909
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The problem was with ground (road consequently) subsidence under road on 240 metres lenght section. Experts claimed that it was caused by projecting mistakes. Executor (Budimex company) have to repair this section on his own cost (insurance). All 7 kilometre length section Jastków - Lublin should be opened in the end of August.
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If you look closely at the photo, you can see that there are dips. The embankment subsided. They need to reconstruct ~700m of road in this area.
I see. That's a classic problem we have in the Netherlands due to the very soft soils. When they build a new road or interchange they often have to let the embankments settle for a year or more before they can start construction.

An option is to apply vertical drainage, so the settling period is shorter (but more expensive).
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Old April 30th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #11910
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What is the estimated travel time between Warszawa and Gdańsk via A2-A1 or DK7? A2-A1 is a good 80 kilometers longer, but you dan drive much faster.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #11911
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What is the estimated travel time between Warszawa and Gdańsk via A2-A1 or DK7? A2-A1 is a good 80 kilometers longer, but you dan drive much faster.
It's about 4-5 hours by DK7 (~350 km), depending on traffic, and probably the same, maybe 30 minutes faster by A2-A1 (more on bank holidays, as DK7 can be jammed); I'm not quite sure how it would be when all the motorway will be open, because last time I've droved it wasn't opened (and it still isn't), so I passed by Toruń - I remember to have regretted making such choice .
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Old April 30th, 2014, 08:45 PM   #11912
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What is the estimated travel time between Warszawa and Gdańsk via A2-A1 or DK7?
This depends very strongly on your bladder-to-brain ratio, which ultimately determines the average speed you can sustain. So here are some scenarios:

Approximate distance from Warsaw to Gdańsk via A2-A1 is 430 km:
  • At 140 km/h = 3:04 h
  • At 120 km/h = 3:35 h
  • At 100 km/h = 4:18 h


Approximate distance from Warsaw to Gdańsk via DK7 is 340 km:
  • At 90 km/h = 3:47 h
  • At 80 km/h = 4:15 h
  • At 60 km/h = 5:40 h

Add to the mix the uncounted cost of safety, frustration and predictability and the choice is clear. However your prefer to travel, it is a good thing that as of today Varsovians have an additional route choice. Given their legendary haste to get to the seaside combined with their, shall we say, 'driving assertiveness' it is an all-round win-win situation.

Very happy to see the Gdańsk-Łódź stretch of the A1 finally open.


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Old April 30th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #11913
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last stretch of A1 between Gdańsk and Łódź opened for traffic!

https://www.facebook.com/gddkia/phot...type=1&theater

We can but hope that in the future all motorway signs in Poland will look like this with exit numbers shown and tiny border villages removed
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Old April 30th, 2014, 09:33 PM   #11914
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There are no border villages to sign on A1 northbound, since it doesn't end at any border.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #11915
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Yeah, because 50 to 30 is such a big difference. I can agree that someone went overboard with speed bumps, tho.
40 % difference is a big difference yes .

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Yep. I like pro car places, Poland is becoming a much more car friendly place than the Netherlands, cost wise ( it already is) and infra wise. Therefore I oppose such ''Dutch'' anti traffic crap they are trying to push in places like that.

Even the shops and stuff, Poland is much more ''westernized'' in that direction than the NL, huge hypermarkets and stuff around town that are open 24/7 and well reachable by car .
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There are no border villages to sign on A1 northbound, since it doesn't end at any border.
Oh well I guess I meant the signs on the A1 southbound as well as on the
A2/A4 west/east bound. They could follow the example of showing numbered exits
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Old May 1st, 2014, 12:59 AM   #11917
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Pictures by Rusonaldo of the new stretch of the A1 between Kowal and Włocławek West, opened today.
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Here is one image to get you started, a video should appear any time now on YT:




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Old May 1st, 2014, 01:04 AM   #11918
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Is it also safe in less-than-optimal conditions? 70 km/h may be safe with dry surface, but what if it is wet or icy? You should be able to drive the posted limit when it's wet because most people won't drive much slower unless it's obviously slippery in winter conditions.
GDDKiA seems to post the limit that is higher than design speed by 10 km/h or so (from various documents I have seen).

70 limit seems low for just a right turn. Why not take more space and keep 100 or 120 or...

Meanwhile in Canada typical motorway design speed 130 km/h and posted limit 100 km/h, design speed always higher than limit, AND the police always watching!

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Yep. I like pro car places, Poland is becoming a much more car friendly place than the Netherlands, cost wise ( it already is) and infra wise. Therefore I oppose such ''Dutch'' anti traffic crap they are trying to push in places like that.

Even the shops and stuff, Poland is much more ''westernized'' in that direction than the NL, huge hypermarkets and stuff around town that are open 24/7 and well reachable by car .
I agree, maybe you will like to move to PL, the freedom of movement can work in both directions Just need to compare if tempo 140 and decent city road network is worth figuring out deklinacja
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Old May 1st, 2014, 01:31 AM   #11919
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A1 motorway is now open from Strykow (Lodz) to Gdansk!

Still, it would be great if S7 would had been finished (and u/c) to join Gdansk and Krakow via Warsaw, maybe one day it will be possible (hopefully, not too long ahead) .
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Old May 1st, 2014, 02:51 AM   #11920
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Motorway A1 Łódź - Toruń

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