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Old May 15th, 2014, 10:55 PM   #12021
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Or many, many questions about specification.
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Old May 16th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #12022
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Or many, many questions about specification.
Precisely, bidders have plenty of questions about details of the tender. GDDKiA is literally flooded with questions.
The same story with choosing company to finish the A4 after kicking out the previous contractor (the infamous Polimex)

I guess it might indicate either that the particular tender process was badly prepared or it is symptom of wider problem that in Poland everyone has to double cover his/her ass when dealing with the state bureaucracy.
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Old May 16th, 2014, 01:21 PM   #12023
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Flooded construction site of Żywiec bypass (DW945):


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Old May 16th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #12024
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Map of Polish roads updated to 15th of May with newly open stretch of S3.
Thank to @Igorsel

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Old May 16th, 2014, 06:20 PM   #12025
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The first minutes of the opened stretch from yesterday.


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Old May 16th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #12026
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Precisely, bidders have plenty of questions about details of the tender. GDDKiA is literally flooded with questions.
The same story with choosing company to finish the A4 after kicking out the previous contractor (the infamous Polimex)

I guess it might indicate either that the particular tender process was badly prepared or it is symptom of wider problem that in Poland everyone has to double cover his/her ass when dealing with the state bureaucracy.
Either that, or it's a sign that construction companies have finally learnt that the GDDKiA won't bail them out if they bid too low.

Having said this, I can talk about several severe cases of sheer incompetence involving foreign building companies, but sadly not in public. It seems that foreign companies in Poland still haven't learnt that Poles will hold them to account.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #12027
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Having said this, I can talk about several severe cases of sheer incompetence involving foreign building companies, but sadly not in public. It seems that foreign companies in Poland still haven't learnt that Poles will hold them to account.
So, all the problems with the delays in Polish road building projects are due to the "bloody foreigners". If not them it would be all perfect. Right.

Seriously, I think there is guilt on both sides. Sure there are cases where new entrants to our market are completely unrealistic and don't have any local knowledge but equally tenders are sometimes not precise enough, there were cases of badly done geological research etc.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 12:11 PM   #12028
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So, all the problems with the delays in Polish road building projects are due to the "bloody foreigners". If not them it would be all perfect. Right.
But, on the other side, there is little to no complain about "bloody foreigners" aka EU when it comes to massive subvention money .
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Old May 17th, 2014, 02:45 PM   #12029
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But, on the other side, there is little to no complain about "bloody foreigners" aka EU when it comes to massive subvention money .
Same when we're paying our eu budget contribution, isn't it?
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Old May 17th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #12030
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Same when we're paying our eu budget contribution, isn't it?
Good Foreigner= Writes Big EuroCheque and gives it to GDkkia
Bad Foreigner= Asks GDDKia to write out a cheque and give it to them.

Simple really

Mind you GDDKia have bankrupted most of the large Polish civil engineers like Polimex as well. They are very equal opportunities.

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Map of Polish roads updated to 15th of May with newly open stretch of S3.
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It must be me but that map looks very 'Green' compared to this time last year. Green maps are good.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 06:15 PM   #12031
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Map of Polish roads updated to 15th of May with newly open stretch of S3.
Thank to @Igorsel

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ka-igorsel.png
What is the difference with this map? http://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/

The siskom map looks more professional in my opinion.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 06:35 PM   #12032
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Those are two maps developed independently on Polish board. Map by IgorSel is based on an old map that's been in circulation for a looong time. 5 years ago Moloch started working on a new map, it evolved over time into what's now available on ssc.siskom.waw.pl. Both maps have a lot of information about A+S roads, IgorSel's map includes new DK roads too. Both are updated regularly, so it's just a matter of preference.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #12033
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The siskom map looks more professional in my opinion.
But it has far less details.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #12034
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But it is in English.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 07:30 PM   #12035
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What is the difference with this map? http://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/

The siskom map looks more professional in my opinion.
Just for clarification: the map is elaborated by SSC community. SISKOM as an NGO provides its servers.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #12036
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When is A4 going to be completed?
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Old May 17th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #12037
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No one knows, "Pascal". At earliest 2015.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #12038
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Same when we're paying our eu budget contribution, isn't it?
Paying 1€ to receive 5€ from EU in exchange; now we know who is the
"biggest beneficiary of EU funds"

It's Poland!
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Old May 17th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #12039
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Poland is only the biggest beneficiary in absolute figures because it is by far the largest newer EU country in terms of population, having twice as many people as the next biggest newer EU member Romania. Poland's net benefit from the EU per capita is not as high as is portrayed in the media. It ranked 8th in the 2009 budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_...European_Union
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Old May 17th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #12040
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Since, Poland is getting more and more of the EU budget.
Over the next six years Poland will be the biggest EU funds beneficiary among all the member states, not only the biggest beneficiary of the Cohesion funds alone as has been the case so far.

For 2014-2020, Poland is by far the first recipient of EU funds, by getting nearly 106 bln € of the EU budget.
http://msp.gov.pl/en/polish-economy/.../4015,dok.html
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