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Old May 28th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #12101
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who are concessionaires of A4? it has really weird system of tolling. last week i was surprised by really low rate at Katowice - Wrocław section (0,025€/km), but also with really high rates at Katowice - Kraków section (0,07€/km).

also, tolling managment is really bad. at Mysłowice toll station i was stuck in 3 km row, and only 7 exits were opened. in opposite directions there were also 7 exits, for light medium traffic. when i was going back, situation at Kraków toll station was even worse, cca 5 km jam, and again similar situation with number of exits
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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #12102
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Krakow-Katowice : Stalexport. Self-governments (Malopolskie Voivodeship and Silesian Voivodeship) want to kick them out and take over managment of it.

Self-governments want to make it 2x3 all the way from Krakow to Katowice.

Katowice-Wroclaw: GDDKiA (General Directorate for National Roads and Motorways)



Good news is that toll stations will disappear soon. GDDKiA wants to introduce electronic payment system in whole country.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #12103
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dissappear? and what about current work at Katowice - Kraków toll stations? i thought they were implementing some electronic wolling like Telepass.

and Katowice - Wrocław tolling has been introducet recently, not? maybe 1 or 2 years ago.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:32 PM   #12104
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Good news is that toll stations will disappear soon. GDDKiA wants to introduce electronic payment system in whole country.
Good!

Toll booths are an anachronism which should not have outlived the 20th century.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #12105
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There will be one electronic payment system in the whole country (there are talks with private concessionaires-however payments will be the same ). They want to start it in 2016.



I think payment between Wroclaw and Katowice was introduced in 2012

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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #12106
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who are concessionaires of A4? it has really weird system of tolling. last week i was surprised by really low rate at Katowice - Wrocław section (0,025€/km), but also with really high rates at Katowice - Kraków section (0,07€/km).
The GDDKiA owned motorways are quite cheap - it's because (as far as I remember) - the EU wouldn't allow them to charge anything other than an amount to pay for ongoing maintenance as they were funded with EU money. The ones that were built privately (A2 Swiecko-Konin, A4 Katowice-Krakow) can charge what they like, so they do.

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also, tolling managment is really bad. at Mysłowice toll station i was stuck in 3 km row, and only 7 exits were opened. in opposite directions there were also 7 exits, for light medium traffic. when i was going back, situation at Kraków toll station was even worse, cca 5 km jam, and again similar situation with number of exits
Tolling is an absolute disaster in some areas. The A4 toll stations are a mess in general - 5-10km jams approaching the toll stations aren't abnormal, especially near Wroclaw and Katowice. The stations were built far, far, far too small to cope with demand.

I'm not enthusiastic about the new e-toll plan. It'll do away with the queues at toll booths, but it will also make it incredibly easy to extend the system to expressways. Right now, the expressway design doesn't lend itself to anything other than barrier tolls - but with e-tolling, that problem vanishes.

Living in the north of Poznan, I can't say that I'm particularly happy to pay 120zl for a box that I'll barely use as well. I never go East, and most of my trips are either to Berlin or to Wroclaw. Berlin is about 100km of tolled motorway, and Poznan-Wroclaw-Kudowa is toll free.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 02:02 AM   #12107
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Why don't they just add "video toll" like in Canada, if you use roads frequently you buy transponder, if not, they take picture of plate and send you a bill in mail (higher price)

120 PLN seems way high for the box too...
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Old May 29th, 2014, 02:48 AM   #12108
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and Katowice - Wrocław tolling has been introducet recently, not? maybe 1 or 2 years ago.
Yup, and GDDKiA has just cancelled tender for the expansion of toll plazas.

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Krakow-Katowice : Stalexport. Self-governments (Malopolskie Voivodeship and Silesian Voivodeship) want to kick them out and take over managment of it.

Self-governments want to make it 2x3 all the way from Krakow to Katowice.
But this is only a pipe dream of the head of local government. The concession will expire in 2027.

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The GDDKiA owned motorways are quite cheap - it's because (as far as I remember) - the EU wouldn't allow them to charge anything other than an amount to pay for ongoing maintenance as they were funded with EU money. The ones that were built privately (A2 Swiecko-Konin, A4 Katowice-Krakow) can charge what they like, so they do.
This is not entirely true. A4 Katowice-Kraków was not built privately, but under the previous regime in the 80s. The same applies to the section A2 Września-Konin. In the end, GDDKiA toll motorways (I'm not talking about the charges for heavy vehicles) were built over five years ago, and the EU does not have anything to say on the fees for them.

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Right now, the expressway design doesn't lend itself to anything other than barrier tolls - but with e-tolling, that problem vanishes.
Some do, e.g. S3 Szczecin-Gorzów with trumpet-shaped junctions.

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Living in the north of Poznan, I can't say that I'm particularly happy to pay 120zl for a box that I'll barely use as well. I never go East, and most of my trips are either to Berlin or to Wroclaw. Berlin is about 100km of tolled motorway, and Poznan-Wroclaw-Kudowa is toll free.
That is why probably it will be possible to pay in advance, with the trip planning tool available on-line, terminals at gas stations etc. (solution similar to that in Germany for trucks).

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Why don't they just add "video toll" like in Canada, if you use roads frequently you buy transponder, if not, they take picture of plate and send you a bill in mail (higher price)
Probably because of poor debt collection, especially considering the large share of foreign drivers (non-EU).
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Old May 30th, 2014, 05:04 AM   #12109
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S12/S17/S19 Lublin bypass:




700 metres lenght subsidence section in 'Dolina Ciemięgi' (on section 2: Lublin Jastków-Lublin Sławinek 7,7 kilometres lenght) is under repair:


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Section 3 from junction Lublin Sławinek - to junction Lublin Rudnik - 10,2 kilometres lenght two three-lane roadway (2x3):


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Section 4 from junction Lublin Rudnik - to junction Lublin Felin - 12,8 kilometres lenght two two-lanes roadways (2x2):



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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:24 AM   #12110
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Realistically when can we expect to see the entire length of the Lublin bypass open to traffic?
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:27 AM   #12111
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http://i.imgur.com/RdbpLaI.jpg

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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #12112
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Yeah - what is this and what is it for?
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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #12113
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Yeah - what is this and what is it for?
It is special high grade styrofoam. They use it to make embankment lighter than made of soil and that way to reduce pressure on the ground below.
All this to reduce subsiding.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:40 PM   #12114
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Realistically when can we expect to see the entire length of the Lublin bypass open to traffic?
I say - October this year.

It appears to me that Budimex is going to finish their repair works in about month or 6 weeks (on Lublin bypass part No2), but Dragados (present on on Lublin bypass part No3 and 4) is just not making any significant progress and in my view their works will linger far beyond June 2014 (what is already an annexed date).

I therefore see no further justification for not imposing a penalty on them.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:53 PM   #12115
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"but Dragados (present on on Lublin bypass part No3 and 4) is just not making any significant progress and in my view their works will linger far beyond June 2014 (what is already an annexed date).

I therefore see no further justification for not imposing a penalty on them"

Kicking Dragados off parts 3 and 4 will only delay the completion and opening further
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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:58 PM   #12116
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Kraków rejected a bid to organize the 2022 Winter Olympics in a referendum. A large majority voted against Kraków 2022.

This could mean the upgrade of infrastructure to and around Zakopane will be delayed. On the other hand, rejecting the bid is understandable given the high cost and low benefit of organizing such an event. Most of the sport facilities remain unused after the Olympics.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #12117
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When is the Lublin bypass going to be completed ?
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Old May 30th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #12118
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Kicking Dragados off parts 3 and 4 will only delay the completion and opening further
No one says about kicking them out. It is about penalty, not referral.
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When is the Lublin bypass going to be completed ?
As Haveblue said we are probably looking at October for completion of the entire Lublin bypass and then probably end of 2014 by the time licences are issued for it's use
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Old May 31st, 2014, 11:36 PM   #12120
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Deconstruction of an old bridge in Żywiec + construction of the town bypass in the background:

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