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Old July 13th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #12261
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By 2021 Wroclaw's road network will allow to get to Berlin, Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow by expressway or motorway. Possibly Prag, all major cities except Vienna via Brno. Which brings back the memories of little-known Raichsautobahn Strecke 88
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsa...2%80%93Breslau

DK8 Wroclaw direction Klodzko is very congested. Locaction of Special Economic Zone in Kobierzyce borough causes high volume of lorries. Little is said about future plans of this stretch.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #12262
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By 2021 Wroclaw's road network will allow to get to Berlin, Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow by expressway or motorway. Possibly Prag, all major cities except Vienna via Brno. Which brings back the memories of little-known Raichsautobahn Strecke 88
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsa...2%80%93Breslau
In my opinion, this is needed, though not the highest current priority.

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DK8 Wroclaw direction Klodzko is very congested. Locaction of Special Economic Zone in Kobierzyce borough causes high volume of lorries. Little is said about future plans of this stretch.
I'm my opinion, S8 should be extended to Klodzko.
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Old July 14th, 2014, 04:49 AM   #12263
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it's interesting - III Reich thought it was important road, since all would be the same country. They aren't, but with EU and Schengen borders, they are becoming so, and thus, the road is needed also And if any kind of road would deserve EU funding, it is this kind (one that serves mostly A and PL, but mostly exists in CZ)
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Old July 14th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #12264
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it's interesting - III Reich thought it was important road, since all would be the same country. They aren't, but with EU and Schengen borders, they are becoming so, and thus, the road is needed also And if any kind of road would deserve EU funding, it is this kind (one that serves mostly A and PL, but mostly exists in CZ)
I know some here disagree, but I continue to believe that the construction of the S5 between Poznan and Wroclaw and the construction of the A5/R52 between Brno and Vienna will increase traffic flows along this north/south corridor which now detour via other routes. That will in turn lead to an extension of the S8 to Klodzko and the R43 from Brno to the R35 near Svitavy. Once that is done, there will be pressure to close the gap between Klodzko and Svitavy, perhaps with significant tunnel boring in the PL/CZ border region. Of course, all this could take 20 to 50 years.
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Old July 15th, 2014, 05:38 AM   #12265
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it's fairly close from Svitavy to Kłodzko.
A5 section Schrick - Drasenhofen is undergoing the construction right now. After its completion road from Vienna to Tisnov, Kurim exit R43 (except the Svitavy - Pohorelice section) will be a dual carriageway. The missing part to A8 near Wrocław is circa 240 km. The whole Wroclaw Vienna section is almost completed in half.
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Old July 15th, 2014, 11:50 AM   #12266
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Wasn't the S8 from Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) supposed to open yesterday? It's been ready for some time now

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Old July 15th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #12267
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S12/17/19 Lublin bypass:





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Old July 16th, 2014, 10:42 AM   #12268
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While I'd love to be able to travel a straight line from Poznan to Vienna, I'm not sure there's enough traffic at the moment to justify a motorway. Surely the traffic will eventually increase, but politicians have a powerful argument against at the moment.

And Czechs may be reluctant.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 11:03 AM   #12269
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I know some here disagree, but I continue to believe that the construction of the S5 between Poznan and Wroclaw and the construction of the A5/R52 between Brno and Vienna will increase traffic flows along this north/south corridor which now detour via other routes. That will in turn lead to an extension of the S8 to Klodzko and the R43 from Brno to the R35 near Svitavy. Once that is done, there will be pressure to close the gap between Klodzko and Svitavy, perhaps with significant tunnel boring in the PL/CZ border region. Of course, all this could take 20 to 50 years.
I think you're completely right. But the problem is that border region - to get the road through from Svitavy to Klodzko is going to take a considerable amount of pain and effort on both sides. But both the S3 and A1 corridors are too far west/east to be useful.

But we also don't really know how much demand is supressed because of the 7.5t limit on the PL/CZ border. In regards to Brno-Svitavy, the alternative route via Olomouc is only 28km longer, so it's still viable.

The S8 is badly needed in my opinion - it's a mess on Friday/Sundays, and traffic always seems to be fairly heavy long there. I'd settle for a single carriageway expressway at the minute.

I'm completely in agreement with you however, I think this corridor is potentially one of the 'big' ones in years to come. The EU seems to recognise that north-south corridors also need love.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:43 PM   #12270
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Wasn't the S8 from Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) supposed to open yesterday?
My understanding is that it should open this Friday, the 18th of July.

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I think you're completely right. But the problem is that border region - to get the road through from Svitavy to Klodzko is going to take a considerable amount of pain and effort on both sides. But both the S3 and A1 corridors are too far west/east to be useful.

But we also don't really know how much demand is supressed because of the 7.5t limit on the PL/CZ border. In regards to Brno-Svitavy, the alternative route via Olomouc is only 28km longer, so it's still viable.
28km is a lot longer when one considers the pollution times the AADT times 28km. Add to that the direct costs of fuel, vehicle wear and tear, etc. plus the cost of time and 28km is a very long detour.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:55 PM   #12271
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There is no good connection from Wroclaw to Prague either, the existing road is only 2 lane full of trucks (Polish side).
Completion of Reichsautobahn 88 will facilitate and relieve local traffic not only to Vienna, but also will make a good link to Budapest from Western Poland (actually unexisting), and Southern Europe in general - which means it's a sizable axis.


Maybe one day Autobahn from Wroclaw to Vienna will be opened, hopefully before the centennial from the start of construction!
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Old July 16th, 2014, 03:08 PM   #12272
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Why are there so many Italian builders on the Polish market? I was browsing through the S7/DK16 Ostróda bids, 3 of the 7 bids are from Italian constructors, and they also tend to bid far below the government estimates on various projects (especially Astaldi).
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Old July 18th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #12274
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So has Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) opened yet?
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Old July 18th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #12275
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Why are there so many Italian builders on the Polish market? I was browsing through the S7/DK16 Ostróda bids, 3 of the 7 bids are from Italian constructors, and they also tend to bid far below the government estimates on various projects (especially Astaldi).
Haven't they learnt anything from the previous projects that went way too low?
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Old July 18th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #12276
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Have travelled on A2 from Berlin to Warsaw few days ago and have noticed that 3 new MOPs (1st cat with petrol stations and fast-food) were finally opened on A2 close to Warsaw (both sides).

MOP Nowostawy / MOP Niesułków (51.898966,19.706705)
MOP Parma / MOP Polesie (52.028159,20.003614) + MacDonalds here
MOP Brwinow (52.155215,20.686124) + BurgerKing here
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Old July 18th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #12277
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So has Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) opened yet?
No. http://mapa.targeo.pl/,24,19.2135800,51.5944800?ln=en
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So has Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) opened yet?

No. http://mapa.targeo.pl/,24,19.2135800,51.5944800?ln=en
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Just looked now and according to tageo.pl S8 Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) (9 km)
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Just looked now and according to tageo.pl S8 Łask (DK12) to Róża (S14) (9 km)
is now open to traffic
?? It is still grayed out. And it might be still for several months.
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?? It is still grayed out. And it might be still for several months.
Why?
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