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Old August 21st, 2014, 06:34 PM   #12481
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[QUOTE=SRC_100;116694804]Walichnowy-Łask cointains Sieradz-Łask. So yes, It will be opend this year and it means S8 Wrocław-Łódź all the way without any "breaks"

I'll believe that when I see it
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Old August 21st, 2014, 06:42 PM   #12482
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The concept of upgrading this road to S standard seems troublesome.
Upgrading any existing road to S standard is troublesome. There are always land plots that must be acquired. There are always structures that need to be removed. There are always flyovers that need to be built.

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There's a chance [all the remaining sections of S8 between Wroclaw and Lodz] will open this year.
Yes, it will depend on the weather. If winter will be relatively mild and late, then it seems possible. If winter will be severe and early, then no chance.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 11:44 PM   #12483
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I'll believe that when I see it

They are painting lanes already:





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Old August 22nd, 2014, 12:09 PM   #12484
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Are the above photos from S8 Sieradz to Łask?
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 01:41 PM   #12485
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 01:41 PM   #12486
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Yes. Actually works on Sieradz - Łask seem to be more advanced than on Sieradz - Złoczew and Złoczew - Walichnowy.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 01:58 PM   #12487
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Yes. Actually works on Sieradz - Łask seem to be more advanced than on Sieradz - Złoczew and Złoczew - Walichnowy.
That's not great news but we can but hope that the remaining sections open before winter sets in
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 03:21 PM   #12488
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good point, I wondered about that as well. Both traffic entering the motorway and traffic on the motorway benefit from seeing each other. Especially if there's a column of trucks you want to adapt your speed to a possible gap to merge into. That works better if you can see them.
Here is example of what I had in mind (photo by motrs from Polish forum)


You have absolutely no visibility on cars joining the mainline.

Technically there will be accelerating lane and they should stick to it but I have limited trust in general. What if driver will be distracted with still adjusting his seat belt or finishing sandwich? It will be easy to cross the line.

I would prefer to see them in advance to slow or accelerate not to be side by side with car joining the accelerating lane.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 03:22 PM   #12489
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The horizontal curvation of this road has been terribly designed. There is at least one sag too much in the short stretch that is visible in the picture. Polish guideline seem to be rather lax when they allow something like this.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 03:29 PM   #12490
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This picture is taken with long lens so it is probably only optical illusion.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 03:53 PM   #12491
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The horizontal curvation of this road has been terribly designed. There is at least one sag too much in the short stretch that is visible in the picture. Polish guideline seem to be rather lax when they allow something like this.
Yeah, ofcourse in Poland there is the worst level of design, construction, building, quality, law, requlations etc. regarding roads, expressways, motoways and others. But what is the worst of the worst, in Poland you can only buy cameras which take photos with optical illusions... disaster.. both roads and cameras...
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 05:23 PM   #12492
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Yeah, ofcourse in Poland there is the worst level of design, construction, building, quality, law, requlations etc. regarding roads, expressways, motoways and others. But what is the worst of the worst, in Poland you can only buy cameras which take photos with optical illusions... disaster.. both roads and cameras...
I think that's quite an immature comeback coming from you.

He was trying to genuinely make a constructive criticism but obviously the optical illusion, he didn't realise.

Grow up.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 05:36 PM   #12493
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Yeah, ofcourse in Poland there is the worst level of design, construction, building, quality, law, requlations etc. regarding roads, expressways, motoways and others. But what is the worst of the worst, in Poland you can only buy cameras which take photos with optical illusions... disaster.. both roads and cameras...
No, Poland has the best level of design, constructio, building quality, law, requlations etc. regarding roads, expressways, motoways and others.


Seriously guys let's not go into silly discussions about who has longer... I mean roads
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 12:02 AM   #12494
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I think that's quite an immature comeback coming from you.

He was trying to genuinely make a constructive criticism but obviously the optical illusion, he didn't realise.

Grow up.
Sarcasm, do u know what it is? hope u know.
Btw, do not stress and chill out

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Seriously guys let's not go into silly discussions about who has longer... I mean roads
There is not about it. It would have a different connotation/overton. But never mind.

For me it`s over OT.

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Old August 23rd, 2014, 12:43 AM   #12495
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This picture is taken with long lens so it is probably only optical illusion.
It hasn't got anything to do with a lens. The road disappears for a couple of metres 200 m in front of the camera. And that from a camera position 5 or 6 metres above said carriageway. From a drivers position the sight-line is even worse and certainly not fit for a motorway.
Not to speak of the terrible impression which wavy gradient of the section behind the curve leaves.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 02:18 AM   #12496
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You definitely exaggerate about the poor standards of driving in Poland. It is way better than it was, let say, 10-15 years ago.
it's maybe slightly better, but still terrible. We have high mortality rate on our roads, people killing each other with their cars like in some 3rd world country. this is sad but there is no respect for weaker participants in traffic ("law of the jungle" rule - only the strongest will survive), so it is very risky to ride a bike on polish roads, and hundreds of pedestrians die in accidents every month.
Yes, we are pretty bad drivers. There is too much bravado, too little skills, too many frustrated neanderthals and imbeciles (not to mention drunk drivers), too many fatal accidents, too lenient courts/sentences etc. etc.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 09:04 AM   #12497
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it's maybe slightly better, but still terrible. We have high mortality rate on our roads, people killing each other with their cars like in some 3rd world country. this is sad but there is no respect for weaker participants in traffic ("law of the jungle" rule - only the strongest will survive), so it is very risky to ride a bike on polish roads, and hundreds of pedestrians die in accidents every month.
Yes, we are pretty bad drivers. There is too much bravado, too little skills, too many frustrated neanderthals and imbeciles (not to mention drunk drivers), too many fatal accidents, too lenient courts/sentences etc. etc.
You omitted one major contributing factor in the high rate of fatal road accidents in Poland: an insufficiency of grade-separated dual carriageways. I commend Poland on the rate of construction, but it will take a few more decades to fully recover from the occupation and reach european levels of infrastructure development.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 11:42 AM   #12498
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Any news about S-11 near Poznan?


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Old August 23rd, 2014, 12:27 PM   #12499
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Yes, we are pretty bad drivers. There is too much bravado, too little skills, too many frustrated neanderthals and imbeciles (not to mention drunk drivers), too many fatal accidents, too lenient courts/sentences etc. etc.
I think these issues would change overnight if we had Czech style enforcement or Slovak style punishments. Most people drive fast and do stupid things simply because they can.

From my own point of view - I was caught once on a Sunday morning near Kudowa-Zdroj doing 71km/h in a 50km/h zone. The punishment? 4 points and 100zl fine - did it change my behaviour? Nope. Haven't been caught since, and you very, very rarely see the police at the side of the road, except in very predictable places.

The other problem is this stupid attitude about not reporting people to the authorities. I was driving one night from Poznan to Pila when someone in front was obviously completely wasted - she was swerving all over the road and clearly wasn't fit to be in a car. So I called the police - and I do it every single time I spot a drunk driver. Same with bad parking - where I live has a problem with idiots parking their SUV's on the greenery. There's an app to report people to the Straz Miejska (and you can include pictures) - so I do it every single time.

It doesn't help that cars are a status symbol in Poland, so people feel the need to show everyone how big and important they are by driving like utter morons in a tank.

It's nothing to do with the roads, but everything to do with the burak (like a village peasant) mentality towards driving. What's scary is that it's often middle-aged men that are the worst drivers.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 07:14 PM   #12500
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Here is example of what I had in mind (photo by motrs from Polish forum)


You have absolutely no visibility on cars joining the mainline.

Technically there will be accelerating lane and they should stick to it but I have limited trust in general. What if driver will be distracted with still adjusting his seat belt or finishing sandwich? It will be easy to cross the line.

I would prefer to see them in advance to slow or accelerate not to be side by side with car joining the accelerating lane.
why do they have sound barriers in middle of nowhere?
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