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Old September 1st, 2014, 08:28 AM   #12581
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Actually this becomes slowly a history. Now toll plazas in US are adding express e-zpass lanes like these one below. There is no needs to slow down at all.

This is exactly the kind of system I was talking about.

And Janek0 is right - this would be an excellent solution for existing private concessionaries. However, I believe even future toll plazas should be like that. For elderly drivers or for people who are mistrustful of electronic systems.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 11:27 AM   #12582
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nice three lane road (2+1). I wish all polish national roads (DK) looked at least like this one.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 05:57 PM   #12583
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There are so many road markings, signs, flashing arrow sign, and those dangerous-looking sticks in the road, it is almost like Japan
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Old September 1st, 2014, 08:01 PM   #12584
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If you watched whole video it is not bad at all. Pretty nice stretch of road.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 09:02 PM   #12585
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It reminds me a bit on S37 in Austria.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 10:25 PM   #12586
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nice three lane road (2+1). I wish all polish national roads (DK) looked at least like this one.
Actually, quite a lot of Polish national roads look like that, sometimes even better. For instance, DK2 between Mińsk Mazowiecki and Siedlce or DK4 in the Subcarpathian voivodeship (województwo Podkarpackie).
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Old September 1st, 2014, 11:04 PM   #12587
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Actually, quite a lot of Polish national roads look like that, sometimes even better. For instance, DK2 between Mińsk Mazowiecki and Siedlce or DK4 in the Subcarpathian voivodeship (województwo Podkarpackie).
This is not true. Many Polish national roads "DK" are only 2 lanes with very few section in 2+1 configuration. Also, few of them are 2+2, mainly with traffic lights and at-grade intersections on rural areas, as per example DK1 between Piotrkow Trybunalski and Katowice, or DK92 in Poznan area. They do have sometimes - principally on major axes - an emergency lane (mostly 1,5-2 meters wide) on both directions. They often become dual carriageway in main cities.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 11:47 PM   #12588
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Yes, but concessionaires will have to agree to this, the government can not impose them anything.
Well, if they were promised the same toll revenue without having to operate the equipment or toll booths, I imagine they'd be more than happy to agree. But it's why I don't see vignettes being a reality - it would be politically impossible to impose vignettes without it being for all toll roads.

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Not necessarily. There are some options, e.g. route declaration with payment in advance for those not possessing viaAUTO. Details should be announced in the coming weeks.
I honestly don't think it's realistic to expect everyone to have either the viaAUTO or to declare in advance. A more sensible solution would be to perhaps consider post-paid tolling - like in some Nordic locations, you would get a bill a the end of the month for all the journeys that you made.

Either way, I have a bad feeling that a move away from physical toll booths is an excuse to toll the S-roads.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:20 AM   #12589
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Well, if they were promised the same toll revenue without having to operate the equipment or toll booths, I imagine they'd be more than happy to agree.
Logical reasoning fails here.

If it is as you wrote, why GTC wants to expand toll booths near Toruń next year?
http://torun.gazeta.pl/torun/1,87119...przyszlym.html

And why Stalexport just expanded their toll booths and right now is replacing all hardware, including cashier boxes?
Anyone wants to buy? http://www.autostrada-a4.pl/-/514
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 08:30 AM   #12590
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This is not true. Many Polish national roads "DK" are only 2 lanes with very few section in 2+1 configuration. Also, few of them are 2+2, mainly with traffic lights and at-grade intersections on rural areas, as per example DK1 between Piotrkow Trybunalski and Katowice, or DK92 in Poznan area. They do have sometimes - principally on major axes - an emergency lane (mostly 1,5-2 meters wide) on both directions. They often become dual carriageway in main cities.
Agreed. But the number of such DK like in the video has dramatically increased.

Moreover, around 80% of the DK I have driven on since 2011 are of excellent quality.

I still remember the hard times when traveling between Warsaw and Paris, I spent all day driving to Świecko or Słubice, or how horrible used to be the drive on DK8 Wrocław - Piotrków Trybunalski or on DK46 Opole-Częstochowa. Now most stretches of these national roads are of very good quality and some (shall soon) have the alternative expressway/motorway running in parallel.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:55 PM   #12591
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I still remember the hard times when traveling between Warsaw and Paris, I spent all day driving to Świecko or Słubice, or how horrible used to be the drive on DK8 Wrocław - Piotrków Trybunalski or on DK46 Opole-Częstochowa. Now most stretches of these national roads are of very good quality and some (shall soon) have the alternative expressway/motorway running in parallel.
I have made this travel from Warsaw a few weeks ago; while the road from Borki Sokolskie (junction of DK8/DK14 and actual start of S8) is very smooth and pleasant till the border, even on the old RAB; as well as S8 or the alternative route by A2, respectively till Piotrków Trybunalski or Strykow. I cannot say the same for the remaining section of DK8 or DK14 (~120 KM), were you often have lots of trucks and traffic, and some sections are in a poor condition (ruts).

Like that one:
https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.33568...80WrNIGJ9g!2e0

or:
https://www.google.fr/maps/@51.35090...kLT-wIuK0A!2e0
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 12:27 AM   #12592
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Agreed. But the number of such DK like in the video has dramatically increased.

Moreover, around 80% of the DK I have driven on since 2011 are of excellent quality.

I still remember the hard times when traveling between Warsaw and Paris, I spent all day driving to Świecko or Słubice, or how horrible used to be the drive on DK8 Wrocław - Piotrków Trybunalski or on DK46 Opole-Częstochowa. Now most stretches of these national roads are of very good quality and some (shall soon) have the alternative expressway/motorway running in parallel.
In good condition is 66% national roads in Poland. 80% - in my opinion, a little exaggerated. Some national roads are in terrible condition.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 01:07 AM   #12593
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But, there are national roads and national roads... probably 50% of DK roads take 90% of traffic volume on DK roads (surely roads like DK7, DK 8 vs DK 48), are those ones good?

I don't care as long as DK 79 Warszawa - Sandomierz - Krakow is improved as much as possible
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 04:08 PM   #12594
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Work finished on repairing S17 at Ciemięgi by given deadline of 28th August Opening not far off now

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/pl/a/16141/...linie-Ciemiegi
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Old September 6th, 2014, 04:50 PM   #12595
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What is this lonely yellow strip near Lomza?

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Old September 6th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #12596
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Just some noob added S61 to Google maps even though the exact route is not yet known... and lame Google reviewers from India approved it.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 02:04 PM   #12597
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Works on S61 (the so-called Augustów bypass) are also finishing:

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Old September 8th, 2014, 06:38 PM   #12598
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Nice Btw, I never saw such kind of crashbarriers in Poland, I saw it in Estonian dual-carriegeways is something like that.

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Old September 8th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #12599
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You mean the cable barrier? This appears to be a fairly recent introduction in Poland, S2 in Warszawa has them too.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 02:52 PM   #12600
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A1 too.
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