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Old September 9th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #12601
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Provincial roads also have the cable barrier - Świdnica bypass - "382"

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"925" Ruda Śląska (route N-S), two years ago. One of the first roads on which they were used in Silesian Voivodeship :
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Old September 9th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #12602
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you can also spot them on DK6
https://www.google.pl/maps/@54.21637...MofUKPw66g!2e0
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Old September 9th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #12603
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You mean the cable barrier? This appears to be a fairly recent introduction in Poland, S2 in Warszawa has them too.
So,are they safer then the regular ones,like this one : [IMG][/IMG]
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Old September 10th, 2014, 12:59 AM   #12604
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Looks like they are a cheap alternative if the median is wide:
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Old September 10th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #12605
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they're dangerous to motorcycles
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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:18 AM   #12606
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they're dangerous to motorcycles
Any evidence supporting this thesis? As far as I remember the topic was discussed during S2 completion in Warsaw (Southern Bypass) and nobody was able to prove it.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:53 AM   #12607
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Crashes with motorcycles tend to be severe, and the most dangerous aspect of a crash barrier are the metal posts into the ground, which both cable barriers and metal barriers have. Some countries fence the posts off in curves (for example in cloverleafs), but this is usually too expensive to justify based on the number of accidents.

Driving a motorcycle is inherently dangerous. It is statistically by far the most dangerous high speed transportation mode, based on number of fatalities per billion kms.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:53 AM   #12608
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they're dangerous to motorcycles
Sorry for slight trolling but if so those barriers are rather more dangerous to motorcyclists than motorcycles . Just in case - you motorcycles brace yourselves too
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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #12609
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From the Polish forum about the Augustów bypass (future DK8 Augustów-Raczki and future S61/E67 Via Baltica Raczki-Suwałki)

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1. Cztery pierwsze zdjęcia dotyczą DK8


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4. Po prawej łącznica z Raczek do Suwałk.


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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!
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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #12610
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5. j.w.


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7. Ostatnie dwa widoczki na ósemkę.


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9. Łącznica Augustów - Suwałki.


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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:16 PM   #12611
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And now S61/E67 starts:
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12. Łatwodemontowalne słupki bariery linowej na przejeździe awaryjnym.


13. Organizacja pasów ruchu na dojeździe do węzła Raczki.


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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #12612
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15. Elektroniczna tablica przy moście na Rospudzie. Wyposażona w stację meteorologiczną... albo przynajmniej w termometr.


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17. Na wiadukcie, na którym stoję, trwały przygotowania do zalania przeciwspadku przy kapie chodnikowej.


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19. Jezdnia prowadząca na MOP.


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Old September 11th, 2014, 12:36 PM   #12613
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Contract has been signed today for the start of construction of Koscierzyna bypass in northern Poland Completion is expected in 2017

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/pl/a/16276/...cy-Koscierzyny
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Old September 11th, 2014, 12:51 PM   #12614
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2+1 with future space for 2x2. Not bad at all
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Old September 11th, 2014, 02:01 PM   #12615
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Also announced is the signing of the contract for the start of construction of 20 km of S5 between
Wroclaw North (A8) and Marcinowo. Astaldi has 30 months to design and build the expressway

http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/pl/a/16272/...-Dolnym-Slasku
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Old September 11th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #12616
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You mean the cable barrier? This appears to be a fairly recent introduction in Poland, S2 in Warszawa has them too.
These cable barriers are safe enough? The concrete barriers are the most safe ones, right?
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Old September 11th, 2014, 08:14 PM   #12617
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That depends on what you consider 'safe'. A double sand-filled concrete barrier sure stops a truck from plowing through on the other carriageway, but it also poses more danger to the occupants of a car if they come in contact with it.

Metal barriers and cable barriers have a more forgiving design. The amount of minor fender benders is much greater than large accidents where trucks cross the median. So it's a choice between preventing the large accidents at the cost of more injuries and possible fatalities in what otherwise would've been a small accident.
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Old September 11th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #12618
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That depends on what you consider 'safe'. A double sand-filled concrete barrier sure stops a truck from plowing through on the other carriageway, but it also poses more danger to the occupants of a car if they come in contact with it.
That's debatable, if we're talking about motorways, in almost any case car hits the barrier under very sharp angle. Concrete barriers are designed to gently deflect the vehicle back onto the carriageway, so in normal circumstances deceleration would not be very rapid. There are some studies saying concrete barriers (if placed correctly) are by far the safest, but also the most expensive.
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Old September 11th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #12619
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That's debatable, if we're talking about motorways, in almost any case car hits the barrier under very sharp angle. Concrete barriers are designed to gently deflect the vehicle back onto the carriageway, so in normal circumstances deceleration would not be very rapid. There are some studies saying concrete barriers (if placed correctly) are by far the safest, but also the most expensive.
I am wondering what Germans have to say about this ... I've never seen any such barriers in that country, where a lot of motorways are designed for very high speeds...

Anyway, I forgot this when putting the pics from the Polish forum on the Augustów bypass, and I dedicate this to people from the Baltics in this forum. Especially Lithuanians.
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Old September 11th, 2014, 09:41 PM   #12620
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And wire barriers tend to slice motorcyclists into pieces.
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