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Old October 1st, 2014, 05:56 PM   #12761
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Poles like to be excessively correct, constructing far more complex and onerous standards in many places that exceeds Brussels and all it does is strangle the growth of the economy with red tape and generate additional costs. But it actually has gotten a lot better, but still a way to go.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 06:12 PM   #12762
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The new PM said in her opening speech in Parliament that Poland is planning to construct 1770 km of motorways and express roads by 2020, completing among others the A1, A2, A4, S3, S5, S6, S7, S8 i S17 and the ring road of Warsaw. In total 93 billion zloty will be spent over the period.

By the end of 2015 250 km should be finished and another 500 km contracted.



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Old October 1st, 2014, 06:36 PM   #12763
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This is insane, you're transforming Poland to Gaza.
It's not insanity, it's pure stupidity that has been caused by certain regulations. And yes, noise barriers in Poland are usually ugly and have been built without respect to something that is called common sense.

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There have been no good alternatives, because one ministerial directive had mentioned only noise barriers as the method to fight traffic noise. So GDDKiA had no other option as to require contractors to put those screens everywhere where noise volumes were exceeding agreed numbers. Fortunately, this has been changed as aforementioned. And the approach to fight traffic noise is slowly changing - for instance on S8 Opacz - Wolica contract GDDKiA has authorized Strabag to form dikes instead of screens which can be seen on pictures posted earlier. Of course, dikes can not be used everywhere. But they should be - combined with trees and bushes - considered the first choice when dealing with traffic noise.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 07:16 PM   #12764
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Yet another map created by the so-called journalists that actually is bullshit

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Old October 1st, 2014, 07:45 PM   #12765
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There have been no good alternatives, because one ministerial directive had mentioned only noise barriers as the method to fight traffic noise. So GDDKiA had no other option as to require contractors to put those screens everywhere where noise volumes were exceeding agreed numbers. Fortunately, this has been changed as aforementioned. And the approach to fight traffic noise is slowly changing - for instance on S8 Opacz - Wolica contract GDDKiA has authorized Strabag to form dikes instead of screens which can be seen on pictures posted earlier. Of course, dikes can not be used everywhere. But they should be - combined with trees and bushes - considered the first choice when dealing with traffic noise.
Dikes aren't nearly as effective as noise barriers, so even after lowering of the noise standards, they're still almost never an option. Plus they are more costly because they require a considerably wider strip of land to be bought. As for S8 - it's not GDDKiA who decides what form of noise protection is used, so they didn't authorize Strabag to do anything more than the environmental decision stated. There will be a considerable amount of noise barriers on this contract (very few places with no barriers on either side).
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Old October 1st, 2014, 07:49 PM   #12766
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Today, new tender for project and construction of S5 expressway section Nowe Marzy – Bydgoszcz - Border KujawskoPomorskie/Wielkopolskie was launched.

This tender is divided into 4 parts:

Part 1 - Project and construction of S-5 expressway - section „Aleksandrowo” - „Tryszczyn”, total length appr. 14,7 km
Part 2 - Project and construction of S-5 expressway - section „Tryszczyn” - „Białe Błota”, total length appr. 13,5 km
Part 3 - Project and construction of S-5 expressway - section „Białe Błota” - węzła „Szubin” total length appr. 9,7 km
Part 2 - Project and construction of S-5 expressway - section „Szubin” - „Jaroszewo” total length appr. 19,3 km.

Including the tender launched on 23 September 2014, currently appr. 130 km of S5 expressway in KujawskoPomorskie are under tender proces.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 08:06 PM   #12767
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Dikes aren't nearly as effective as noise barriers, so even after lowering of the noise standards, they're still almost never an option. Plus they are more costly because they require a considerably wider strip of land to be bought. As for S8 - it's not GDDKiA who decides what form of noise protection is used, so they didn't authorize Strabag to do anything more than the environmental decision stated. There will be a considerable amount of noise barriers on this contract (very few places with no barriers on either side).
That is not true. Dykes are the most efficient form of noise barriers but it is true that they are more expensive.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 08:29 PM   #12768
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Yet another map created by the so-called journalists that actually is bullshit
Their conception of S7/S8

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Old October 1st, 2014, 08:38 PM   #12769
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As we have noticed already that map above is totally screwed up.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 08:48 PM   #12770
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holy macaroni, that means all of S5 between A1 and A2 is now either completed or tendered. Great job
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Old October 1st, 2014, 09:13 PM   #12771
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That is not true. Dykes are the most efficient form of noise barriers but it is true that they are more expensive.
Well, please define efficiency of a noise barrier then, because that's probably where the argument lies.

In case of any noise barrier, its ability to lower the noise is (for the most part) a result of its height, blocking the path of a sound wave traveling between the noise source and the receptor. Noise berms usually have a 4:1 slope, so to make a 2m barrier, your berm needs to be 8m wide at the base. Then comes the diffraction of the wave, which can be negated on top of a regular sound wall (using this smart device). It probably depends on the circumstances, but it's said those diffractors are equivalent of 100-150cm of added height so to speak (in terms of effectiveness of noise reduction). I'm not sure how that fares in comparison to bushes etc. placed on top of the berm.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:07 PM   #12772
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holy macaroni, that means all of S5 between A1 and A2 is now either completed or tendered. Great job
Still waiting for the final section in Wielkopolska to go to tender, though.

It will be rather ridiculous if the S5 is complete between the A1 and A2 before it's complete from the A2 to the A8.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:08 PM   #12773
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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:09 PM   #12774
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Isn't the S7 supposed to stretch from Zakopane all the way to Gdańsk? Lol.
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Well, please define efficiency of a noise barrier then, because that's probably where the argument lies.

In case of any noise barrier, its ability to lower the noise is (for the most part) a result of its height, blocking the path of a sound wave traveling between the noise source and the receptor. Noise berms usually have a 4:1 slope, so to make a 2m barrier, your berm needs to be 8m wide at the base. Then comes the diffraction of the wave, which can be negated on top of a regular sound wall (using this smart device). It probably depends on the circumstances, but it's said those diffractors are equivalent of 100-150cm of added height so to speak (in terms of effectiveness of noise reduction). I'm not sure how that fares in comparison to bushes etc. placed on top of the berm.
I haven't seen that device used here - looks interesting.

What I meant was that a noise berm has a higher mass (which is one of the critical factors in noise isolation) and earth itself is very good at noise dampening. A very common solution used in Estonia is a combination of a noise berm and a noise wall, usually 2m + 2m. It's more visually pleasing IMO, although it does require more space. You can see a combination of different solutions used here

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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:50 PM   #12776
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I have just watched the video and i really like it.Great work !
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 12:25 AM   #12777
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Isn't the S7 supposed to stretch from Zakopane all the way to Gdańsk? Lol.
S7 will only reach Rabka-Zdrój.

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This has to be the most ridiculous example and I'm not proud to say it's within my voivodeship.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 12:33 AM   #12778
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Good thing that sound barrier is there (on a relatively minor road, BTW), otherwise the crops might not be able to sleep because of car noise. Absolutely asinine.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 01:48 AM   #12779
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Good thing that sound barrier is there (on a relatively minor road, BTW), otherwise the crops might not be able to sleep because of car noise.
I think they are there to stop Bison rutting in the middle of the road myself.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 02:48 PM   #12780
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As we have noticed already that map above is totally screwed up.
Well, I have seen much worse maps
At least it shows the correct shape of planned motorway network (and it is taken form Wikipedia). But I have no idea what is the red color supposed to mean
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