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Old November 7th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #13141
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You mean a motorway from Hel(l)?
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Old November 7th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #13142
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New section of S69 in southern Poland, 6.1km:




New stretch of S69 is just 6,1 km long, but along it there are 9,7 km of the high acoustic barriers. Simply great
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Old November 7th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #13143
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Page 46, project 13, S7 Lubień - Rabka. 3.2 billion PLN for 17 km. That's € 46 million per kilometer. What are the plans for this stretch? Do they plan a long tunnel? It is significantly more expensive than other S projects (except for S2 in Warszawa). Most S projects hover in the € 8 - 12 million/km range.
Tunnel (2 km), many bridges...


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New stretch of S69 is just 6,1 km long, but along it there are 9,7 km of the high acoustic barriers. Simply great
Guess why?
Houses. Houses everywhere.







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Old November 7th, 2014, 11:02 PM   #13144
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to integrate Poland with other nations, firstly Poland needs to be self-integrated (national roads or expressways). once we achieve this level then we can start thinking of EU integration. no the other way around
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Poland has been integrating into the EU since 1991 when Poland signed the EU Association Agreement and started modifying Polish law to conform with EU requirements. This process will not stop just because some people want to pursue an isolationist road-building strategy (which anyway could not reasonably be financed).

It's good to have harmony in development. Shame that biggest and most important cities like Warsaw Krakow anf Gdansk don't have proper road connection. Economic centre of Poland lies on the line Tricity (Gdansk/Gdynia/Sopot)-Warsaw/Łodz-Katowice/Krakow (Central European Ruhrgebiet). With Eastern economic islands like Wrocław/LGOM(LEginica), Poznan and Szczecin.



I think in Polish interest is to have good road connections with landlocked countries (Czech R., Slovakia and further Hungary, Belarus) because of our Ports.

DCT port becomes European heavyweight. It's already Baltic Sea hub.

Expansion worth 300m Euro started.



Planned logistic centre (by Goodman-partly alredy U/C)

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Old November 7th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #13145
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You mean a motorway from Hel(l)?
I was talking about OPAT (TriCity's northern bypass, an extension of the existing Tri-City Bypass) which should go around Rumia and Reda (DK6 in these cities is very crowded (especially in summer months)

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Old November 7th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #13146
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no northern bypass for 3city agglomeration (instead they will spend money for useless 'metropolitan' ring road.
Can't agree with that. Tricity bypass is no real bypass anymore, more like middle inner ring. In rush hours it's one huge traffic jam. A wider ring road is urgently needed.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #13147
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However, I found no clear evidence of what will happen to the old Suwałki-Augustów road.
It already happened. I drove this road today and there is no '8' signage.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #13148
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Guess why?
Houses. Houses everywhere.

lol, you call this houses worth of building noise screens?

This is where noise barriers belong, HERE (Nederlands):



or HERE (GB):


or HERE (Poland):


Just because there are few houses around motorway, it doesn't mean we have to built automatically everywhere noise screens. Unfortunately in Poland we say: "szlachcic na zagrodzie rowny wojewodzie...". which in very simple words means: I don't give a sh...t about others, I am most important here ...
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #13149
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Can't agree with that. Tricity bypass is no real bypass anymore, more like middle inner ring. In rush hours it's one huge traffic jam. A wider ring road is urgently needed.
Both are important and urgent to be build.
OPAT beacause of extremely heavy traffic especially in summer. Rumia, Reda and Chylonia part of Gdynia are in fact split in half by heavy traffic during that period.
Metropolitan Ring is going to unload heavy traffic on existing Tri-City bypass. When it happens old bypass should be widened from very narrow two to at least three lanes each way.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:26 AM   #13150
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Metropolitan Ring is going to unload heavy traffic on existing Tri-City bypass.
No it won't. Majority of this "heavy traffic" has a destination point in Gdynia or Gdańsk and will not use OMT (metropolitan ring). OMT will only serve urban sprawl in the Kaszuby region.

Waste of money. We better spend this money on that:
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:41 AM   #13151
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Unfortunately in Poland we say: "szlachcic na zagrodzie rowny wojewodzie...". which in very simple words means: I don't give a sh...t about others, I am most important here ...
Is this about drivers who fulminate against the noise barriers because they obscure the scenery?
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:45 AM   #13152
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lol, you call this houses worth of building noise screens?

This is where noise barriers belong, HERE (Nederlands):



or HERE (GB):


or HERE (Poland):


Just because there are few houses around motorway, it doesn't mean we have to built automatically everywhere noise screens. Unfortunately in Poland we say: "szlachcic na zagrodzie rowny wojewodzie...". which in very simple words means: I don't give a sh...t about others, I am most important here ...
Why you just don't go there and ask them are they happy to live without those freaking barriers? Yes, I want to puke too when I start to read your yelling. I propose move to this kind of place where you'll appreciate the sound of road freight from all over the Europe. 24/7, instead of heavy traffic ban days.

P.S.Poland=/=Holland=/=GB
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:50 AM   #13153
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Both are important and urgent to be build.
OPAT beacause of extremely heavy traffic especially in summer. Rumia, Reda and Chylonia part of Gdynia are in fact split in half by heavy traffic during that period.
Metropolitan Ring is going to unload heavy traffic on existing Tri-City bypass. When it happens old bypass should be widened from very narrow two to at least three lanes each way.
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No it won't. Majority of this "heavy traffic" has a destination point in Gdynia or Gdańsk and will not use OMT (metropolitan ring). OMT will only serve urban sprawl in the Kaszuby region.

Waste of money. We better spend this money on that:
then probably should aim for 3+3+3+3 arrangement or similar. Adding 3rd lane both ways that will last a few months
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:50 AM   #13154
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No it won't. Majority of this "heavy traffic" has a destination point in Gdynia or Gdańsk and will not use OMT (metropolitan ring). OMT will only serve urban sprawl in the Kaszuby region.

Waste of money. We better spend this money on that:
What are you talking about? Have you ever lived in Tri-City area? From your post I would say: NO. You have no clue how clogged is Tri-City bypass.
And YES Metropolitan Ring wouldn't solve all problems but for sure it would redirect all traffic going towards Slupsk, Koszalin, Szczecin + Kaszuby region and would let widen existing Tri-City bypass which is URGENT.
If you disagree with that, you should come to Tri-City and live here for while. Maybe that would convince you.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:55 AM   #13155
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Why you just don't go there and ask them are they happy to live without those freaking barriers? Yes, I want to puke too when I start to read your yelling. I propose move to this kind of place where you'll appreciate the sound of road freight from all over the Europe. 24/7, instead of heavy traffic ban days.

P.S.Poland=/=Holland=/=GB
Well, some people in Poland are sick of these barriers.... and I am taking about these who live next to them... Sometimes view of that ugly walls from the windows make people depressed more than noise.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 02:03 AM   #13156
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I live 300 meters of a motorway in Belgium with just a field in between and no sound barrier. On a nice sunny day when you want to relax outside, having the wind in the wrong direction, the sound is terrible. But the authorities are unwilling to build a wall in our village, while 2 km's further there is one.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #13157
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Old November 8th, 2014, 10:15 AM   #13158
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I don't understand why noise barriers need to be so tall in Poland. They are almost uniformly more than 5 meters tall.

For example, this is A28 near Zwolle. There is one house which is located 15 meters off the motorway. Instead of building a 'Berlin Wall' in front of the house, they installed a low noise barrier where you can see through.

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Old November 8th, 2014, 10:47 AM   #13159
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lol, you call this houses worth of building noise screens?

This is where noise barriers belong, HERE (Nederlands):
You compare apples and oranges. I guess the NL motorway was built earlier than the houses around. No one cared about noise when the houses were built. People moved there although they knew that it's noisy there. Maybe because the low rental price. The traffic increased over the past decades.

The Polish S69 is a new motorway. The houses were built earlier in a quite area. It's a totally different situation! The experience and the law are different today.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 01:12 PM   #13160
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lol, you call this houses worth of building noise screens?

This is where noise barriers belong, HERE (Nederlands):

Just because there are few houses around motorway, it doesn't mean we have to built automatically everywhere noise screens. Unfortunately in Poland we say: "szlachcic na zagrodzie rowny wojewodzie...". which in very simple words means: I don't give a sh...t about others, I am most important here ...
You compare complete different quality living though. The density is not what should be deciding here, the quality of living should be. There are very little areas where you would find such detached houses in the Netherlands with so much space and green around them.

I think the noise reduction is really needed in such area, although the screens could be replaced by other, more esthetic, measures, however that would be even more expensive probably. Don't forget that porous asphalt is used almost everywhere in the Netherlands.
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