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Old November 12th, 2014, 02:00 PM   #13201
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The whole advanatage of these rural homes is completely missed by some here. Most relatives and friends I know in Warsaw, have bought a patch of land about an hr drive from Warsaw and chucked a house on it decade(s) ago, and ''flee'' the city pretty much every weekend to the countryside or even move there.

Simply for the quiet and space.

Living in a big city is generally not desirable, despite what many people seem to think. People want more space.


Tbh, I think the noise barriers are overkill too, but I wouldn't really mind if they chucked on near my back yard, better than to lose the quiet. It's more annoying for the motorist.


And planned towns, ugh, then you get that crap we have over here in Holland or the UK, boring neighborhoods with all the same row houses, with little personal space and anti car (speedbump heaven, and having to drive far further by car due to routes being cycle only).
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Old November 12th, 2014, 02:14 PM   #13202
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Simply for the quiet and space.

Living in a big city is generally not desirable, despite what many people seem to think. People want more space.
...and so they move to suburbs, to 30x30m plots with a view of other houses. Seems legit.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #13203
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...and so they move to suburbs, to 30x30m plots with a view of other houses. Seems legit.
...and they are "very happy" in their "villages"...
Seriously some people want to live in big cities, some not. Not a big philosophy here
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Old November 12th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #13204
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...and they are "very happy" in their "villages"...
Yeah, quotes are right in place.

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Seriously some people want to live big cities, some not. Not a big philosophy here
We can also have worst of both worlds - fenced apartment blocks in middle of nowhere, without paved road connection

I'm just saying that you're not going to have much space and quiet in typical Polish suburb now. 15 years ago, maybe.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 03:37 PM   #13205
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The whole advanatage of these rural homes is completely missed by some here. Most relatives and friends I know in Warsaw, have bought a patch of land about an hr drive from Warsaw and chucked a house on it decade(s) ago, and ''flee'' the city pretty much every weekend to the countryside or even move there.

Simply for the quiet and space.

Living in a big city is generally not desirable, despite what many people seem to think. People want more space.
Right... and that's why the most vibrant and fastest growing and economically the most advantageous places on earth are the big cities.

Besides, if you are talking about holiday-weekend homes, why then building it in all this mess in central Mazowsze?
Move somewhere else even closer to nature and further from people burning rubbish in their heating units.

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And planned towns, ugh, then you get that crap we have over here in Holland or the UK, boring neighborhoods with all the same row houses, with little personal space and anti car (speedbump heaven, and having to drive far further by car due to routes being cycle only).
I just wonder why then so many people migrate from all this lovely rural houses from all around Poland to this "horrible", "ugly" and "crap" neighbourhoods in Holland and the UK
What's even worse, they can't drive 100km/h through those cities and have to look out for cyclist. How do they cope??

Or, quoting the classic, "Jak żyć?"
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Old November 12th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #13206
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Right... and that's why the most vibrant and fastest growing and economically the most advantageous places on earth are the big cities.
Most growth in the OECD cities are in suburban areas, and that also counts for most cities in developing countries. As I posted before, the GUS forecasts a significant decline of urban population in Polish cities. Only Warsaw will see extended urban growth.

It depends on perception. One man's 'vibrant city' is another man's noisy and crowded city. One man's affordable housing in the suburbs is another man's boring lifestyle. People are different.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #13207
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Most growth in the OECD cities are in suburban areas, and that also counts for most cities in developing countries. As I posted before, the GUS forecasts a significant decline of urban population in Polish cities. Only Warsaw will see extended urban growth.

It depends on perception. One man's 'vibrant city' is another man's noisy and crowded city. One man's affordable housing in the suburbs is another man's boring lifestyle. People are different.
Don't take me wrong, I have nothing against suburbs per se. In fact most of Greater London consists of endless suburbs. People don't see them that way but that's how most of the city was build.

My problem is with completely random and unplanned development of rural Poland. Even in the US, the ultimate suburban country, those suburbs are to larger or smaller degree planned. You don't throw houses randomly like a cow shit.

In Poland, as snowdog said about his friends, people just buy random plot of land and build random house. Then we end up with miles and miles of not really suburbs, nor villages, just random, mostly ugly, houses.

And then try to build decent roads (or public transport lines or even utility lines) through that mess...
At best you end up with walls of sound barriers at worst with NIMBYs who want to preserve their silly idea of rural idyll, even if they live in messy, dirty and traffic clogged environment.
There is case in Wroclaw where bypass was planned for years and then we got this silly housing built in recent years so the road is now stuck in planning as locals pretend they live in a village.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #13208
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You don't throw houses randomly like a cow shit.
I've stopped reading your right here...

To the others- pls this is a topic about polish road infrastructure!

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Seriously some people want to live in big cities, some not. Not a big philosophy here
No more words needed.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 05:34 PM   #13209
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Most growth in the OECD cities are in suburban areas, and that also counts for most cities in developing countries. As I posted before, the GUS forecasts a significant decline of urban population in Polish cities. Only Warsaw will see extended urban growth.

It depends on perception. One man's 'vibrant city' is another man's noisy and crowded city. One man's affordable housing in the suburbs is another man's boring lifestyle. People are different.
I wouldn't be too sure about those forecasts, the trend is beginning to reverse, reurbanization of historic cities has begun and will pick up speed as pollution issues are addressed, amenities are built and streets/urban spaces are redesigned for people and bikes as they are in many places. In short, the inner cities are becoming attractive again, especially to émigré Poles who are returning, like me. But yes this is happening simultaneously with suburbanization as those Poles who were crowded into noisy and polluted old city centres are fleeing to spacious plots of land with their cars and to them this is a measure of success, culture is not as big a priority.
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Old November 12th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #13210
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Back to topic.

Works on Augustów bypass ended... it's time to start working on Suwałki bypass.
Today GDDKiA launched a tender procedure for optimising design and construction of S61 motorway, section Suwałki-North - Suwałki-South (lenght: 12,8 km)

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Old November 13th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #13211
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New bridge on Wisła in Połaniec (DW764). It was opened yesterday.
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And here - new bridge on Wisła near Solec nad Wisłą (DW747). Both sides of the river were connected yesterday. The bridge will be opened in May.





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Old November 13th, 2014, 10:14 PM   #13212
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Comparision - construction of DTŚ in Gliwice (Konarskiego street - viaduct over DTŚ)

14 November 2013


20 February 2014


8 April 2014


5 June 2014


10 October 2014


13 November 2014


Still long way to go...
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Old November 13th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #13213
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difference? I see more cars on parking lot in last picture....
Seriously, good job! DTS is growing every year.
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Old November 14th, 2014, 03:54 AM   #13214
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I'm always impressed how black the dirt is, like there is wengiel everywhere
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Old November 14th, 2014, 01:17 PM   #13215
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Old November 14th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #13216
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Any news on the delayed S11 North West Poznan bypass will be completed?
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Old November 14th, 2014, 02:24 PM   #13217
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Maybe in December. But it may as well get delayed again.
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Old November 14th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #13218
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Maybe in December. But it may as well get delayed again.
I doubt that December is realistic for full opening
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Old November 14th, 2014, 05:50 PM   #13219
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Noise bariers on S8 road reflected in a puddle, Warsaw.


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Old November 14th, 2014, 07:53 PM   #13220
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There's almost nobody living there!
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