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Old November 18th, 2014, 02:30 PM   #13241
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This is exactly the reason I like Poland, no silly garbage collector fares, but simply burn the crap on your own field.
a) your knowledge about garbage treatment is oudated
b) if you want to inhale carcinogens, do it on your own, and dont **** up life of the rest of the population.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #13242
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That`s just impossible ,
What is impossible, building more motorways and bypasses so that the majority of long haul traffic uses them instead of village roads? Of course, you can't build them everywhere, but driving some kilometers on a regural road is OK, if it's not for hours and hours.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 04:00 PM   #13243
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That`s why I`m showing example of DK94/DK36 , it`s next to A4 but the situation on this road is very bad and getting even worse every year.
It`s new reconstructed , great pavement , but VERY DANGEROUS
That`s why I`m saying - roundabouts.
Not sure if I`m writing clear but new highways improves only the situation
on the corridor where 2 lines were replaced with 4 lines.
The rest majority (90%) stays the same as I didn`t notice that people
who need to drive only 20 km go slower and safer then people driving
600 km
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Old November 18th, 2014, 04:03 PM   #13244
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Why roundabouts? Why not something like this?
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Old November 18th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #13245
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The A4 motorway Krzyżowa (A4/A18) - Wrocław - will be upgrade to 3+3 profile with emergency lane in the near future.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 04:10 PM   #13246
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I've seen such things in Hungary.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #13247
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Why roundabouts? Why not something like this?

https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=Gorz%C...,300.97,,0,1.7
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Old November 18th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #13248
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Why roundabouts? Why not something like this?
http://goo.gl/maps/DjX7f
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Old November 18th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #13249
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I knew you guys had those in PL (but too lazy to search one actually in PL ), I was just wondering why jtybinka prefers roundabouts
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Old November 18th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #13250
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I prefer roundabouts because there will be intersections anyway. Roundabouts force everyone to slow down but normally without the long delays and backups that traffic lights impose.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #13251
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I knew you guys had those in PL (but too lazy to search one actually in PL ), I was just wondering why jtybinka prefers roundabouts
You must be naive believing Polish people will slow down going through the village after this:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.70863...foCWe9SpJw!2e0
that is why they came up with roundabouts... You can't.... or at least you can't drive truck through roundabout at 70 km/h...
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Old November 18th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #13252
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that is why they came up with roundabouts... You can't.... or at least you can't drive truck through roundabout at 70 km/h...
Try going through the one I showed at over 40km/h with a truck. With a car you can barely keep it at 60 if you take a racing-line... All you guys have to do is build them 'more curvy' and you're set.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #13253
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Yeah... you are right but roundabout is superior solution here...
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Old November 18th, 2014, 08:35 PM   #13254
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I hate roundabouts with a passion myself

We use 'em too much here in The Netherlands...
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Old November 18th, 2014, 08:48 PM   #13255
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doesn`t have to be roundabout, can be solution like in Zuid - Elerland
I didn`t mean strange roundabout without any roads crossing :-)
I said roundabout , because the villages usually have a crossroad
where they could place rounabout so this will allow to safely
join the main road and slow down INTERCONTINENTAL traffic
in the same time

They built 2 roundabouts in town where I live near my house
and from that time I don`t afraid that much when my children
go to school.
These roundabout are narrow and have inner stone ring
so that buses could go but some POLISH STYLE DRIVERS
try to use this inner ring to go stright through roundabout
becasue they hate slowing down before pedestrian crossing
but in general these 2 roundabout work perfect

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Old November 18th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #13256
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I didn`t mean strange roundabout without any roads crossing :-)
Ah, okay. That explains it. Because all that does is look weird.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 12:51 AM   #13257
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That`s why I`m showing example of DK94/DK36 , it`s next to A4 but the situation on this road is very bad and getting even worse every year.
It`s new reconstructed , great pavement , but VERY DANGEROUS
That`s why I`m saying - roundabouts.
Not sure if I`m writing clear but new highways improves only the situation
on the corridor where 2 lines were replaced with 4 lines.
The rest majority (90%) stays the same as I didn`t notice that people
who need to drive only 20 km go slower and safer then people driving
600 km
Why so many TIR then? Is it just tolls too high? If they cut toll price for TIR in half it would cost less than roundabout and maybe fix the problem
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Old November 19th, 2014, 04:01 AM   #13258
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Considering the consistent and rapid decline of road fatalities as roads are improved it seems this solution is working correctly and effectively!

Especially considering it is much more likely for average Pole to die because of the rope he tied on his neck than anything related to a wheel it seems not something to worry about.
The fatalities are falling, and that's good, but from a very high level and the fall isn't particularly rapid.
I absolutely agree that more modern roads are benefiting safety but it won't be enough to cut fatalities to levels comparable to the best countries in the Western Europe (some of them, like UK, don't have that amazing road infrastructure but their deaths on roads are way, way lower than in Poland)

Let's look at Ireland. They modernized they main roads in recent years but they also improve drink driving enforcement as well as introduced mobile vans recording speeds. Now Ireland, which not long ago had high fatality levels, has one of the safest roads in Europe.

So, yes, Poland should build more good roads, but also improve driving rules enforcement.
Let's face it, as a nation we do have "cavalier" attitude to driving. Even you often boast in multiple threads about the fact how fast you drive and how much over the speed limit.
I'm not a low speed fetishist but such attitude doesn't help. It's our typical "rules are there to be broken" attitude which often cause problems and sometimes tragedies.

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Having an standalone house, with a garage, and a big fence around with with a big ''podworko'' for yourself to do whatever you want without government idiots meddling is a godsend.

I personally just want the village space and freedom, the rest is irrelevant for me.
Are you planning a house with columns, resembling palace from some bygone Polish golden era? And a plaster dwarf in your garden?
Never mind.

Problem with the lack of planning is that we then end up with situations where building the shortest stretch of road we have to fight NIMBYs, pay tones of cash for all those houses we have to demolish and then still end up with walls of expensive noise barriers protecting all the other houses thrown around like cow shit.

But fine, we have to scarify even minimum level of spacial order for the sake of village freedom. We are rich country and can spend tones of cash rectifying mess in the future.

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This is exactly the reason I like Poland, no silly garbage collector fares, but simply burn the crap on your own field.
This is exactly why Poland has one of the most polluted air in Europe. Polish cities, with their high emission from private detached houses where people burn lowest grade coal, (often mixed with rubbish) occupy something like 8 positions on the list of Top 10 cities in the EU with highest fine particles pollution (PM2,5) levels. The other two are from Bulgaria if I remember.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 06:42 AM   #13259
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Italy is also on that polluted list, but by late next year with new eco-friendly incinerators and mandatory scrubbers on chimneys air quality should finally improve substantially in the worst areas. It's not all of Poland actually, but mainly the south.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 10:02 AM   #13260
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Why so many TIR then? Is it just tolls too high? If they cut toll price for TIR in half it would cost less than roundabout and maybe fix the problem
Nope and nope.
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