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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #1321
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Well, this section was laid by the nazi's, and it used to be 2-laned. Now they constructed the new lane, so heading west is a new motorway, and heading east is just...horrible. Before Euro 2012 it should be repaved
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #1322
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A18 is being reconstructed if I'm correct. They already did one carriageway, the other one still needs repaving. In Polish terms this means the entire roadway need to be replaced. You can't just pave over those "stairs".
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:32 PM   #1323
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They need special machines to remove it all. When I was there last year they were doing small sections (app. 500m) at the time. That way it takes ages, they'll have to speed up to be finished by 2012
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:44 PM   #1324
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They need special machines to remove it all. When I was there last year they were doing small sections (app. 500m) at the time. That way it takes ages, they'll have to speed up to be finished by 2012
It seems that section is not finished yet.

Also, I wonder why the A4 to Wroclaw is so narrow while the stretch from Wroclaw to Gliwice is much wider...
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:50 PM   #1325
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The old A4 used to be like this (without shoulders), and Poland only got EU money to repave this section, so they couldn't add shoulders, whereas the stretches that do have shoulders are completely new. Maybe they'll add them in the future.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:53 PM   #1326
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A18 is being reconstructed if I'm correct.
Not yet. The enviromental decision has been approved and construction is supposed to start in 2009 or 2010.

Timon91: "Maybe they'll add them in the future".

There are no shoulders until this section is toll-free. Don't know when is this going to happen but could be quite long time because we will try to bring in electronic toll system.

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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:55 PM   #1327
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The old A4 used to be like this (without shoulders), and Poland only got EU money to repave this section, so they couldn't add shoulders, whereas the stretches that do have shoulders are completely new. Maybe they'll add them in the future.
Most probably while extending to 2 x 3 lanes.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 12:00 AM   #1328
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Most probably while extending to 2 x 3 lanes.
Is this proposed/planned? I cruised that roads during the night, both direction just after midnight and the traffic was surprisingly high. I had to keep myself in the left lane mostly to overtake the trucks.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 12:13 AM   #1329
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Normally there are just lots of trucks, I believe. Is there someone with figures about traffic intensities of this section?
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Old October 17th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #1330
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Is this proposed/planned? (...)
Nowadays all TEN-T roads (like E75/A1, S8/E67) are obliged to be at least prepeared for extension. This applies to both motorways and expessways.

Discussed A4 (or E40) section was done (either repaved or reconstructed) before this directive was introduced. I don't know whether they prepeared interchanges, corridor, anything. I guess no.

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Here. In polish, but reading maps shouldn't be any problem.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 08:15 AM   #1331
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In Polish terms this means the entire roadway need to be replaced. You can't just pave over those "stairs".
It's because of decelareration lanes on junctions and emergency lanes:



And becouse covering the concrete with asphalt would in few yers time result in that it will "pour" between the slabs and we would have new stairs again.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 09:37 AM   #1332
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Here. In polish, but reading maps shouldn't be any problem.
4000-8000 vehicles a day. Normally you don't even need a highway for that, but regarding the huge amount of trucks it might be a good idea, like X236K said.
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Also, I wonder why the A4 to Wroclaw is so narrow while the stretch from Wroclaw to Gliwice is much wider...
The A4 to Wroclaw is from 1936, the section from Wroclaw to Gliwice has been constructed in the late 1990's by German standards so it's much newer. Reichsautobahnen used to be constructed without a shoulder.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 01:24 PM   #1334
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The A4 to Wroclaw is from 1936, the section from Wroclaw to Gliwice has been constructed in the late 1990's by German standards so it's much newer. Reichsautobahnen used to be constructed without a shoulder.
So we should not say that the quality of that road is terrible as it has been serving for more than 70 years
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Yes, but it certainly needs new pavement.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #1336
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4000-8000 vehicles a day. Normally you don't even need a highway for that, but regarding the huge amount of trucks it might be a good idea, like X236K said.
Huh? You've read the figures for A18. Noone is thinking about 2x3 lanes there. The new, northern carriageway has normal emergency lanes, as shown on the picture posted by PLH. The southern carriageway, to be rebuilt soon, will have emergency lane too.
OK, 8000/day is not enough for a motorway - but it's easy to build in a corridor that's been an autobahn for 70 years. So why not...

The problem is A4 near Wrocław. It had 15000-25000 veh/day in 2005. It has no hard shoulders. The polish forumers mostly say it should be rebuilt to 2x3 with hard shoulders. But it was repaved with neat new concrete a few years ago, and in reality - it is not expected to be upgraded anytime soon...
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4000-8000 vehicles a day. Normally you don't even need a highway for that, but regarding the huge amount of trucks it might be a good idea, like X236K said.
But these figures was given for one direction.
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Ok, I don't speak Polish, so I didn't see that
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What's this? peak hour volumes?
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What's this? peak hour volumes?
Warsaw / morning peak / cars per hour / October 2005
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