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Old December 5th, 2014, 04:31 PM   #13421
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Expressways in Pomeranian voivodeship
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According to this map new Gdańsk bypass will become S6, southern part of existing Tricity bypass will stay as it is (S6), middle part will become S7 and Gdynia part of the current ring road will become municipal road. As we can see there are no plans to build northern beltway, which means that drivers on their way to Hel (and back home) still will be stuck in extreme traffic jams in Rumia and Reda
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Old December 5th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #13422
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Hmm, to be honest this road doesn't really makes a lot of sense to me. People rather will choose faster S6 than long tour around Kashubia. They should build an additional lane on S6 instead + OPAT (northern bypass)
I think a major 'selling point' of OMT is to facilitate suburban growth, which has been quite strong since 2000.

The powiats of Puck, Wejherowo, Kartuzy and Gdańsk, the 'suburban belt' of Tricity, has a population of 514,000, a growth of 94,000 people since 2000. (Note that powiat Gdańsk does not contain the city of Gdańsk, but is south of the city).

The three cities that make up the Tricity have no space for further urban expansion due to the hills and nature reserves in the west, and swampy land in the south(east). Hence, most growth will be in the OMT area.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 06:14 PM   #13423
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The point is that Tricity is about to get second bypass while there is so many other big cities in Poland without even first ring finished... so it bothers lots of people. Then, when summer time comes the same people are extremely unhappy that they have to spent a lot of hours in heavy traffic on their way to the beaches... beside Metropolitan ring will be more useful after another section of S6 between Gdynia nad Lebork is finished.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 06:20 PM   #13424
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Does it really matter if a certain piece of infrastructure is finished a few years before a project elsewhere? It's not like it's the only road project in Poland. The country is in the midst of a major highway construction boom, so the debate whether a bypass of Kraków would be more urgent than a bypass of Gdańsk is kind of useless.

No country ever built their motorways according to the exact urgency. Some were built earlier, some later, some never.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #13425
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In that case, yes. Building a backup road with 3rd lane reserve (sic!) – which will not relief ZOT as much as supporters want to believe – for an existing expressway instead of widening it is a waste of money.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #13426
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Does it really matter if a certain piece of infrastructure is finished a few years before a project elsewhere? It's not like it's the only road project in Poland. The country is in the midst of a major highway construction boom, so the debate whether a bypass of Kraków would be more urgent than a bypass of Gdańsk is kind of useless.

No country ever built their motorways according to the exact urgency. Some were built earlier, some later, some never.
What matters is that OMT will cost 2 bln PLN which won't be spent on, let's say S14, DK16 or S19. It also means that this money won't be spent on widening existing S6. We don't have an endless sack of gold.

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Then, when summer time comes the same people are extremely unhappy that they have to spent a lot of hours in heavy traffic on their way to the beaches...
Traffic jams are caused by
- toll plazas on A1
- lack of bypasses of Rumia and Reda (OPAT).

Construction of OMT doesn't solve any of these 2 problems.

And what's specific about OMT - it is the only major road project which meets lack of enthusiasm in Polish SSC community, and which reasonableness is questioned.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #13427
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Traffic jams are caused by
- toll plazas on A1
- lack of bypasses of Rumia and Reda (OPAT).
This is only partially true based on thesis that there is no people live there and they don't use S6.
- Tricity metro area is about one million people. Traffic jams happens on regular basis during a week days.
- Tricity has no option to build regular ring because it is on the coast so instead of building east bypass it has to be built another western bypass to solve problems.
- Yes, OPAT is needed but it will only speed up traffic on the same already too narrow roadway, so building new Metropolitan bypass will spread traffic in at least some directions.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #13428
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Tricity metro area is about one million people. Traffic jams happens on regular basis during a week days
This proves a fair share of local traffic on ZOT. This type of traffic will not use OMT.

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Yes, OPAT is needed but it will only speed up traffic on the same already too narrow roadway, so building new Metropolitan bypass will spread traffic in at least some directions.
It will only deepen urban sprawl and it'll barely ease traffic on ZOT.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #13429
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So what other options are for Tricity in your opinion? All traffic, no matter if is local or not is hanging on the only one S6. There is no efficient crosstown traffic road through Sopot, already crowded and there won't be in the future unless they build some kind of very long and costly tunnel in the middle of that town.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #13430
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I reckon widening S6 to 2x4 lanes would be more expensive than building OMT. I also think building OMT by 2030 or later means the area will be much more build-out, thus much more expensive to construct than in current times.

I agree that OMT will not decongest Rumia/Reda/Wejherowo, but widening S6 wouldn't achieve that either. Perhaps they also should extend current S6 from Gdynia to north side of Reda.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #13431
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Old December 6th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #13432
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There was giant discussion about OMT (Obwodnica Metropolitalna Trójmiasta). Many users questioned sense of this road because it will probably speed up the urban sprawl process and will not take current bypass' stream due to its path located far in the outskirts.

I know that extending of current S6 bypass would cost a lot but... the heck, when you bulid a bypass of a bypass then someting is not good, something slips out of control I have a feeling that this case looked like 'Hey, that S6 is soooo congested. Let's bulid another road, ermm... here!'. Spatial planning in Poland actually doesn't exist.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 01:22 AM   #13433
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maybe they can just rename the existing bypass as something that doesn't have word "obwodnica" in it
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Old December 6th, 2014, 01:03 PM   #13434
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What's going on in Poland with road tolls? It's all gone rather quiet - are we still waiting for the Government to decide what to do with a vignette/electronic tolling system?
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Old December 6th, 2014, 01:18 PM   #13435
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maybe they can just rename the existing bypass as something that doesn't have word "obwodnica" in it
it's like in Warsaw A2 renamed S2
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Old December 6th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #13436
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What's going on in Poland with road tolls? It's all gone rather quiet
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Old December 7th, 2014, 12:21 PM   #13437
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So what other options are for Tricity in your opinion? All traffic, no matter if is local or not is hanging on the only one S6. There is no efficient crosstown traffic road through Sopot, already crowded and there won't be in the future unless they build some kind of very long and costly tunnel in the middle of that town.
For starters, widening the existing bypass and building OPAT. It’s a bit of a stretch but it may be worth considering creating local-express lanes – see N2 around Eindhoven.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #13438
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Can we have a link to the list of predicted motorway / expressways openings in 2015 so I can update my own list?
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Old December 7th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #13439
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Can we have a link to the list of predicted motorway / expressways openings in 2015 so I can update my own list?
Here is the list:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...14&postcount=1
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Old December 7th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #13440
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This list?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...nie-hetman.png

Plus there is a chance that A4 will be opened before Christmas 2015
Also there are rumors that A1 may also be opened... but it seems unlikely at this moment.
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