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Old March 8th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #13941
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When did they change from yellow to green signs in Poland?
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Old March 8th, 2015, 07:47 PM   #13942
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Yellow to green signs were changed in the seventies
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Old March 8th, 2015, 07:55 PM   #13943
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I love that Polish style of speaking, it sounds so refined in English

I thought they were always yellow but they never were cleaned so grew fungus on them
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Old March 8th, 2015, 09:21 PM   #13944
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When did they change from yellow to green signs in Poland?
At some point I was searching for detailed information’s about this change but didn't found any. Traditionally Polish road signs were with yellow background and black letters in some sense similar to German. Probably they were created after I WW based on German standards.

The green background with white letters comes somewhere at brink of 1970-ties and 80-ties. At that moment DK1 road from Częstochowa to Piotrków Trybunalski was being build and before that group of engineers was send abroad to study other countries fast roads network, modern ways of building and other related things. As it turned out apart from one which went to France remaining went straight to USA and were amazed by their road network and as a result they tried to replicate all of those in Poland. One of such examples is road sign system which clearly is based on US solutions with some adaptations to European conditions. As in all replicas also this wasn't based on US standards but replicated based on pictures thus it differs from original.

This is only theory but I didn't found any traces of any particular reason why yellow was changed for green (USSR used blue background) especially that yellow signs are far more clear and easy to read than green, especially in winter conditions.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #13945
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I found these previous schemes with yellow background much nicer but I just would love to have like these in Czech Rep. at least.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:10 AM   #13946
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Czech design is definitely not something worth copying.

http://maps.google.pl/maps?ll=50.762...,337.28,,1,0.2

(small, easy to overlook, not transparent - easy to confuse road number with the distance)

VS

http://maps.google.pl/maps?ll=50.685...03.08,,1,-1.55

(large and transparent)
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:35 AM   #13947
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What was winter like in Poland this year? Did much major road construction get done over this time?
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:45 AM   #13948
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It was very mild. Temperature anomaly for winter in Celsius:

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Old March 9th, 2015, 12:01 PM   #13949
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Approximately all of the progress is attributable to improved roads, mainly the construction of motorways and expressways.
It is quite possible, even likely, but I haven't seen any study yet confirming such assumption.
It is difficult to judge figures year on year. A lot might depend on weather condition in particular year.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 03:29 PM   #13950
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Czech design is definitely not something worth copying.
http://maps.google.pl/maps?ll=50.762...,337.28,,1,0.2
(small, easy to overlook, not transparent - easy to confuse road number with the distance)
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http://maps.google.pl/maps?ll=50.685...03.08,,1,-1.55
(large and transparent)
Agree that Czech road signs aren't particularly clear but there are many examples to show how to create functional road sign. For example Hungary uses also green background with relatively big signs but road numbers are with the same colour thus despite similar to Polish sign those are far less clear to read:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@46.79701...9qsfUM3z6Q!2e0

Contrary Romania uses blue background and colourful road numbers and despite relatively small size those signs are pretty clear to read. This is lesson from US where You travel not to destination but through certain road in certain geographical direction.
https://www.google.pl/maps/@44.73924...7MHVL9rySg!2e0

For comparison I was looking for yellow signs but street view in Germany is only in major towns so there isn’t much to compare. Only one example where we can see that yellow background with black letters is pretty clear despite small size and small letters yet road number without any different colour distinction make it harder to navigate.
https://www.google.pl/maps/@51.06455...pP0TsgLHNw!2e0

And one example from Slovenia (Yugoslavia also used yellow background) which is slightly closer to standards which were used in Poland.
https://www.google.pl/maps/@46.08527...rqAdA9Wuhg!2e0

Everyone can compare it to great website for road sign history (only in Polish language) where we can see that direction signs in Poland were regulated in 1946 (it clearly can be seen that they are derivates of signs introduced by Germans in 1943 with some changes based on last rules before II WW from 1938):
http://www.znaki-drogowe.pl/index.ph...=66&Itemid=105

And most probably present form of green signs was introduced in 1980 when remaining signs took over its present form.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 08:46 PM   #13951
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DK51 towards Olsztyn. Construction of S51 motorway here should start in this month or in April

Current ending of S51 near Olsztynek


Wulpińskie Lake to the left


Olsztyn-South cloverleaf interchange (S51/DK16) will be located to the right of the radio tower, where the single house is.
City of Olsztyn can be seen in the distance.


(taken from the project page)
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:37 AM   #13952
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Hey fellows,
I think that Poland's U/C motorway and expressway network is a quite ambitious one, but it's also realistic. As I can see, Poland doesn't stop constructing new fascinating roads. Unlike other European countries (mainly in eastern Europe) Poland is improving its roads unstoppably, just like China does in Asia......and that is why I admire Poland.
Please post me if you agree with the aforementioned statements.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 01:56 AM   #13953
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I found these previous schemes with yellow background much nicer but I just would love to have like these in Czech Rep. at least.
I think you're in a minority of one here...

The Czech signs are horrific, they're not clear in the slightest. One thing I love about driving in Poland is just how clear everything is - there are frequent reminders of distance, signs at junctions are big and clear - all in all, Polish sign design is one of the best in Europe.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 02:40 AM   #13954
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Overall design may be good but its implementation is appalling. The signs are big and easy to read but there is simply too much side information put at every corner in most expressive way there is possible. So in effect You constantly lose focus from main direction (which in many cases simply disappears) and instead concentrate on destinations to small villages nearby. In that sense minimalist approach in Czech Republic may be seen as much better solution so I can see why Rombi finds their system better.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 05:07 AM   #13955
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I am not sure... the only thing I really noticed on Polish signs were lack of distance signs on old DK and DW roads (but more than adequate on new, A or S roads) and signage that seems just too small on S roads for the speeds practiced (realistically 130-150 km/h on nice ones like some parts of S 7)
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Old March 11th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #13956
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^ And more than that. Found myself oversleeping my alarm this morning and as a consequence I left my house in Nowy Targ at 5:13 AM this morning to get to the office in Zabierzów at 5:59 AM. "Normal" travel time is about 75 minutes in the morning, and 80-85 minutes on my way back in the mid-afternoon.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 11:46 AM   #13957
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Signage on S-roads is too small.


S3-9 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

Another natural downside are the long placenames in Poland, leading to huge signs like this:

S10-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

Otherwise Polish signage is pretty decent. I also like Czech signage. I think the font is the best of all capitalized fonts in Europe.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #13958
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There are many other prime examples of downsides of Polish road signs. For example here:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@49.99056...mqjh91TNXQ!2e0
We have tiny little sing in main direction showing only Rzeszów despite fact that this road goes also to Tarnów, Przemyśl (not directly but destination is correct) and Ukrainian border while side table shows road 75 to Brzesko which is located almost 30 km apart and two exits further:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@49.99180...JQoql8UHhw!2e0
Of course to misinformation adds fact that at that time vehicles over 3,5t couldn’t use this stretch of road but this is only icing on the cake.
Unfortunately this isn't exception as for example signs on S7 road near Kielce look like this:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.93543...ecGWCg-qXA!2e0
There is small sign in main direction showing only Warszawa while before that city road passes through Skarżysko-Kamienna and Radom. Fortunately upgraded signs for quick roads are already tested and look great:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.61616...9iJET23OeA!2e0
but still information on main direction sign is a bit scarce as in this example only Gdańsk is mentioned while road passes through Toruń and Grudziądz which both are pretty important cities popular among tourists.

And on the side roads You can also find oddities like for example here:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.60446...91yXQn5dUg!2e0
Where Imielno is signed on two signs, there is also side road to the right but any mentioning about fact that straight is main road 78 towards Jędrzejów.

Other example:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.30372...6tMOcpagQw!2e0
On this particular junction side road to Racibórz is marked but it doesn't mention that it goes through Głubczyce (pretty important city in that region) and that shorter (10 km) and quicker road to Racibórz through which not only google shows route is located just 1,7 km further apart. Just to confuse drivers that road is signed as for Lisęcice:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.30595...qMb-qj9LeA!2e0
And there is completely nothing on proper junction which is located 160 m from sign itself.
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.30557...Olf6TsfUoQ!2e0

So the road sign scheme may be good but its implementation leaves quite a big field for improvements.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #13959
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When did they change from yellow to green signs in Poland?
Cira 1978-1979.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 05:50 PM   #13960
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Signage on S-roads is too small.

[img]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2861/11892594654_3b2519b412_c.jpg]
S3-9 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

Another natural downside are the long placenames in Poland, leading to huge signs like this:
[img]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3827/9056612226_3f2131c852_c.jpg
S10-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

Otherwise Polish signage is pretty decent. I also like Czech signage. I think the font is the best of all capitalized fonts in Europe.
Size of the signs is big enough, but the letters are too small (while directional arrows are also big).

Also, I don't find long placenames such a problem. They can be written in 2 lines (like Stargard Szczecinski centrum), or be shortened. For example, there's lot of long names in Croatia which are usually shortened:
Slavonski Brod -> Sl. Brod
Velika Kopanica -> V. Kopanica
Donji Miholjac -> D. Miholjac
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