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Old March 21st, 2015, 04:16 PM   #14001
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I want to ask a question:

What is going to happen with the Warsaw-Terespol section of the A2 motorway?
I read the article about that road in Wikipedia but I couldn't figure out what exactly is going on....
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Old March 21st, 2015, 04:25 PM   #14002
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Not much. There is bypass of Mińsk Mazowiecki and there are words that A2 will be build from Warsaw's ring to Siedlce. But we won't see even that happening soon
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Old March 21st, 2015, 04:36 PM   #14003
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Warszawa (S2) – Mińsk Mazowiecki (A2) is among the priorities for the upcoming national construction program (2014-2023). Mińsk Mazowiecki – Siedlce is on a reserve list but I doubt it’ll be built in a couple of years (mostly due to lack of funding and poor lobbying). Siedlce – border is also on that list but I’m almost certain it won’t be built anytime soon due to same reasons and low AADT.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 08:58 PM   #14004
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Warszawa (S2) – Mińsk Mazowiecki (A2) is among the priorities for the upcoming national construction program (2014-2023). Mińsk Mazowiecki – Siedlce is on a reserve list but I doubt it’ll be built in a couple of years (mostly due to lack of funding and poor lobbying). Siedlce – border is also on that list but I’m almost certain it won’t be built anytime soon due to same reasons and low AADT.
If there is not so much traffic in the Siedlce-border part, it can be built as an expressway.
But I wonder.....is the Korszowa border with Ukraine busier than Terespol??
If it is, then OK, but if not, there is no reason for the A4 to end there.
Then the A2 should be constructed in whole.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 09:15 PM   #14005
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If there is not so much traffic in the Siedlce-border part, it can be built as an expressway.
But I wonder.....is the Korszowa border with Ukraine busier than Terespol??
If it is, then OK, but if not, there is no reason for the A4 to end there.
Then the A2 should be constructed in whole.
Its an old dream to have a motorway all the way from Berlin to Moscow. And the A2 from Warszawa to the border is a part of that dream.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 09:32 PM   #14006
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Who cares if it's motorway or expressway? It's almost the same. A driver cannot see any difference! A2 will be interrupt near Warsaw. The bypass will be S2...

@kostas97: I don't think that a S2-called motorway would be completed earlier than an A2-called motorway, neither it would save money.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 10:10 PM   #14007
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Its an old dream to have a motorway all the way from Berlin to Moscow. And the A2 from Warszawa to the border is a part of that dream.
As long as Belarus is Russia buddy there will be no high traffic in that way. There is zero need for Highway from Siedlce to border right now.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:38 AM   #14008
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Its an old dream to have a motorway all the way from Berlin to Moscow. And the A2 from Warszawa to the border is a part of that dream.
AFAIK it was a road called olibijska or something like this.
Its main goal was to connect Moscow to the western part of Europe, in purpose to the Moscow Olympics.
However, most of that road was never completed, right??
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:46 AM   #14009
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Who cares if it's motorway or expressway? It's almost the same. A driver cannot see any difference! A2 will be interrupt near Warsaw. The bypass will be S2...

@kostas97: I don't think that a S2-called motorway would be completed earlier than an A2-called motorway, neither it would save money.
Indeed.....as I have noticed, Polish expressways are just like the motorways.
The only difference is in the speed limit.

And the truth is that both kinds of roads need pretty much the same construction time, probably because they share many similarities....
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:56 AM   #14010
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AFAIK it was a road called olibijska or something like this.
Its main goal was to connect Moscow to the western part of Europe, in purpose to the Moscow Olympics.
However, most of that road was never completed, right??

Moscow Olympics was in 1980. And they had a goal in that time to have a motorway from Berlin to Moscow finished before the Moscow Olympics began in summer 1980. But it was not very built by this. The part of A2 from Września to Konin included specific plans for this, but this piece was not opened until 1985 and 1988, and only that part was at least 5 years delated.

Today it is motorway all the way from Berlin to Warsaw. Within a few years, maybe it will in all cases from Berlin to Minsk. But I understand that the Polish government is not so interested to build A2 to Belarusian border as long as Aleksandr Lukashenko still control Belarus.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 02:04 AM   #14011
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I think it is reasonable for delays, but only since small traffic is interested to cross PL-BY border...

Wiki on Olimpijka -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimpijka
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 07:35 AM   #14012
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But I understand that the Polish government is not so interested to build A2 to Belarusian border as long as Aleksandr Lukashenko still control Belarus.
Under such circumstances, I don't blame the Polish for not wanting to construct the A2 in total......
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:06 PM   #14013
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Much more important is the express road connection between Poland and whole European Union with the Baltic Countries and Finland. EU trade relations with Russia and Belarus have continued to decrease.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 04:13 PM   #14014
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Much more important is the express road connection between Poland and whole European Union with the Baltic Countries and Finland.
Yes, the S61 is important. The S61 is not the highest priority right now, but higher than the A2 east of Siedlce.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 04:27 PM   #14015
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Yes, the S61 is important. The S61 is not the highest priority right now, but higher than the A2 east of Siedlce.
S61?
Isn't that expressway part of the proposed Via Baltica from Warsaw to Tallinn???
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 04:30 PM   #14016
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Yep, see wikipedia article.

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Some Polish government documents estimate this road will be fully finished some time between 2021 and 2027, but it could be finished earlier if funding for it is secured from the European Union.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 04:55 PM   #14017
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The Via Baltica is an important corridor for Europe and its construction should be a priority of the EU.
And apart from that, its a chance for Latvia and Estonia to have their first motorway and for Lithuania to gain a motorway access to Poland.

As far as the Polish part is concerned, I only know that most of it is planned.....I hope that construction will be resumed soon.....
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 04:57 PM   #14018
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Why resuming? Construction has not yet started .
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 05:05 PM   #14020
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Why resuming? Construction has not yet started .
According to the Wikipedia article about the S61, the bypasses of Augostów and Stawiski are already open.....that's why I said resume instead of start.
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