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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #14061
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but concerning the Warsaw ring part of the road, I don't see much progress......
S8 in Warasaw to be finished this year (except Marki bypass, but I don`t include it to Warsaw Ring Road).
40% of S2 is completed, the reminder is at the tender stage.
The biggest problem is with S17 (east part of WRR), there isn`t even DSU (environmental decision).
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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #14062
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I'm talking about the S8 in total....but concerning the Warsaw ring part of the road, I don't see much progress......
S8 between Wrocław all the way to Białystok is either ready, U/C or in tender (see here). That's really something. As far as Warsaw ring goes, the part that's marked as S8 is mostly ready, with the bridge section getting close to being finished (photos earlier on). Southern outgoing part (Raszyn bypass) is U/C and will be opened this year, northern outgoing part (Marki bypass) is in tender. Frankly this is way more progress than anyone anticipated 10 years ago.

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Old March 25th, 2015, 05:14 AM   #14063
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S8 between Wrocław all the way to Białystok is either ready, U/C or in tender (see here). That's really something. As far as Warsaw ring goes, the part that's marked as S8 is mostly ready, with the bridge section getting close to being finished (photos earlier on). Southern outgoing part (Raszyn bypass) is U/C and will be opened this year, northern outgoing part (Marki bypass) is in tender. Frankly this is way more progress than anyone anticipated 10 years ago.


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OK then, i see
So, let's just expect the finishing of those works (and of the whole S8) soon.....

Oh, about the S2, I read on Wikipedia that the Warsaw residents didn't want a motorway but an expressway......but isn't their capacity practically the same??
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Old March 25th, 2015, 10:06 AM   #14064
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Oh, about the S2, I read on Wikipedia that the Warsaw residents didn't want a motorway but an expressway......but isn't their capacity practically the same??
Yes, but somehow "regular" people (as oppose to skyscraperecity geeks) think otherwise. It is just less threatening and easier to push through the public consultations.

It is the same in many other countries (UK and Ireland come to mind)

In Ireland they did neat trick of building their motorways as "high quality dual carriageways" and then declassifying them as motorways once finished (or in some cases even during construction).

Maybe one day Poland will go that route.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:33 AM   #14065
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Oh, about the S2, I read on Wikipedia that the Warsaw residents didn't want a motorway but an expressway......but isn't their capacity practically the same??
Generally speaking 2x2 A and S roads in Poland are very similar in terms of technical details. Those additional 25 cm per lane add very little in terms of safety, it's mostly just for lorry drivers' comfort. This distinction between A and S roads in Poland (different signage, tolls etc.) is comfusing and unnecessary, but I think it's just a matter of time those are somehow unified (same motorway sign system, electronic tolls).
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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:05 PM   #14066
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It is the same in many other countries (UK and Ireland come to mind)
In Ireland they did neat trick of building their motorways as "high quality dual carriageways" and then declassifying them as motorways once finished (or in some cases even during construction).
Germany and Austria too: Motorways are awful, expressways are better, field pathes are desired . Czech Republic announced to rededicate their expressways (R roads) to motorways (D roads) a few years ago...
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Old March 25th, 2015, 02:40 PM   #14067
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Germany and Austria too: Motorways are awful, expressways are better, field pathes are desired . Czech Republic announced to rededicate their expressways (R roads) to motorways (D roads) a few years ago...
IDK about Austria, but concerning Germany, I've noticed that their Autobahns are not maintained at all.....this roads are safe, but this is probably their main problem.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 02:44 PM   #14068
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Generally speaking 2x2 A and S roads in Poland are very similar in terms of technical details. Those additional 25 cm per lane add very little in terms of safety, it's mostly just for lorry drivers' comfort. This distinction between A and S roads in Poland (different signage, tolls etc.) is comfusing and unnecessary, but I think it's just a matter of time those are somehow unified (same motorway sign system, electronic tolls).
I've noticed that (concerning the distinction).
I can barely understand if what I see is a motorway or an expressway.

And as far as the tolls are concerned, are they all electronic?
And are the expressways tolled as well?
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Old March 25th, 2015, 03:16 PM   #14069
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And as far as the tolls are concerned, are they all electronic?
And are the expressways tolled as well?
A and S roads use electronic tolls for vehicles >3,5t.
Expressways are free for cars. Motorways (well, not all of them) are tolled for cars, manual booths are in use.

The system will probably be changed (most likely unified - electronic toll for both cars and trucks) in the coming years.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 04:43 PM   #14070
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A and S roads use electronic tolls for vehicles >3,5t.
Expressways are free for cars. Motorways (well, not all of them) are tolled for cars, manual booths are in use.

The system will probably be changed (most likely unified - electronic toll for both cars and trucks) in the coming years.
How does that ETC system work?
Is the charge per kilometres driven, perhaps?
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Some photos of the remaining section of A4 that is still u/c taken from the project website. Starting from Jarosław-West and going west:



















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Old March 28th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #14073
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Old March 28th, 2015, 04:15 PM   #14074
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Didn't they start construction on that in 2010 or so? This looks like a motorway that's under construction for maybe 1 - 1.5 years. Progress is not too good.
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Old March 28th, 2015, 04:40 PM   #14075
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Yeah, it is 4 years since the construction works started in spring 2011. At least most viaducts are almost ready
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Old March 28th, 2015, 04:41 PM   #14076
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Didn't they start construction on that in 2010 or so? This looks like a motorway that's under construction for maybe 1 - 1.5 years. Progress is not too good.
The construction was canceled for a year. The first contractor - Polimex-Mostostal was thrown out of the contract due to delays.
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I got surprised too looking at these pictures. Even with one year break this is still small progress... ;(
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Old March 28th, 2015, 06:58 PM   #14078
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I got surprised too looking at these pictures. Even with one year break this is still small progress... ;(
First contractor was very slow and there was little progress for a long time.
Then they got kicked out, then there was procedure of finding out what actually was done and writing new specifications for the new tender before starting the new tendering process, which also took a while.

The first contractor was massively helped by Polish government so for a while nobody really wanted to cancel the contract. It all took too long comparing with situations where for example Irish contractors got kicked out from the A1.
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So we have another whole year ahead of construction of this section... How about section from Radymno to Ukrainian border? It is open but not fully up to motorway standard yet. Why is that so and for how long yet?
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So we have another whole year ahead of construction of this section... How about section from Radymno to Ukrainian border? It is open but not fully up to motorway standard yet. Why is that so and for how long yet?
As far as I know, that section is operational since mid 2014.
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