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Old May 11th, 2015, 09:11 PM   #14241
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I wish Poland has such a well developed motorway/expressway network like in France or Netherlands...maybe in 10-15 years...
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Old May 11th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #14242
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You won't. You are building concrete motorways...
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Which new motorways are currently under construction?
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Old May 11th, 2015, 11:07 PM   #14243
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Old May 12th, 2015, 06:38 PM   #14244
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:15 PM   #14245
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In 20 years it's not 'once in a while', but a whole network that needs replacement or major renovation...
Exactly! It's a simple logic: many motorways are being built right now (hundreds of kilometres per year), so those motorways will need reconstruction in the same time (around 2040), because their "expiration date" will be similar. So Poland will become a big construction site once again.

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Just see in France, they almost exclusively use asphalt, and there are practically no road works that disrupt traffic. And the pavement is of excellent quality. Same in the Netherlands.
It's the same situation in Croatia. OK, our motorways are not that heavily used like in Italy or France, but our main transit motorways (A3, A1 Zagreb-Bosiljevo, A6, A4) have high traffic volumes, especially during weekends and during summer, and the asphalt is being replaced one lane at a time, usually during April and May, so the whole section between 2 exits could usually be done in a period of few days.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:25 PM   #14246
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Poland is not going to be one big construction site again. We are NOT building exclusively concrete motorways. There is no need for that. Concrete pavement is used only in areas of high volume transit of heavy trucks like it is going to be on A1 between S8 and A2....
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #14247
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Also, when the A1 section between the A2 and S8 will need to be reconstructed, it will be done one carriageway at a time. The carriageway not under construction will be amply wide enough to accommodate 2x2 traffic with reasonable lane widths and a separation barrier of linked concrete dividers.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:52 AM   #14248
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Also, when the A1 section between the A2 and S8 will need to be reconstructed, it will be done one carriageway at a time. The carriageway not under construction will be amply wide enough to accommodate 2x2 traffic with reasonable lane widths and a separation barrier of linked concrete dividers.
No German-style "fold in your mirrors" 2.0 m left lane?

In Canada Quebec typically does this on rural motorways despite them being almost always asphalt
Usually they will pave a bit extra asphalt if the motorway has too small shoulders so that it can handle normal traffic of 2x2 and a temporary concrete barrier. Usually speed limit is reduced from 100 km/h to 80 or 70. It works well.

In Ontario they do the piece-meal where they close half the carriageway and either give only 1 lane or 2 lanes squeezed too tight on the side. This sucks compared to the Quebec style.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 03:13 AM   #14249
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Lane width on "S" category is 3,5m. On "A" - 3,75m
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Poland is not going to be one big construction site again. We are NOT building exclusively concrete motorways. There is no need for that. Concrete pavement is used only in areas of high volume transit of heavy trucks like it is going to be on A1 between S8 and A2....
It's not true. Nearly half of new "S" and "A" ways going under construction from now will be concrete. And it is political decision. And years 2017-2019 will be pretty heavy construction seasons.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 03:38 AM   #14250
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No German-style "fold in your mirrors" 2.0 m left lane?
Probably 3.0 meters for each of the four lanes.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:01 AM   #14251
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:13 AM   #14252
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Lane width on "S" category is 3,5m. On "A" - 3,75m

It's not true. Nearly half of new "S" and "A" ways going under construction from now will be concrete. And it is political decision. And years 2017-2019 will be pretty heavy construction seasons.
What are you talking about?
S7 - asphalt,
S8 Warszawa-Bialystok - asphalt
S5 -asphalt
S3 - asphalt
A4- most in asphalt
A1- almost all in asphalt
A2- 2/3 in asphalt
A8 - asphalt
S6- is going to be asphalt
A6 - converted to asphalt
S2-asphalt
S1-asphalt
S51-going to be asphalt
S61 - going to be asphalt
S22- converted to asphalt
S17 - asphalt so far and I think the rest to be so...
S11 - so far asphalt and the rest is going to be so...
etc,etc...
please check facts before giving political opinion here.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 05:33 AM   #14253
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Old May 13th, 2015, 09:53 AM   #14254
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In your opinion this is half ?
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Old May 13th, 2015, 02:36 PM   #14255
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Could you let us know your sources please?
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Old May 13th, 2015, 06:04 PM   #14256
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In your opinion this is half ?
In 2014-2020 road building program perspective yes.

Source? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=240
And it is confirmed since October/November 2014, many tenders like S17, S2, S8, S7 were delayed due to switch from asphalt to concrete.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 06:26 PM   #14257
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In 2014-2020 road building program perspective yes.

Source? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=240
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Let me ask you again WHERE EXACTLY you got that information from? Please don't give me link to general thread about polish roads.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #14259
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A newer map:

Green - existing
Red - Under construction
Blue - Tendered
Light blue - Tender to be announced soon



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Old May 13th, 2015, 08:32 PM   #14260
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And it's incomplete of course...
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