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Old May 27th, 2015, 09:57 PM   #14321
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I think this would be a translation (using google translate plus what I read in Turkish forum , I think I`m rnot mistaken)
red - in operation
blue - in construction
green - will be tendered
If red means in operation that means they made tremendous progress in last 20 years. I was in Turkey couple of times in mid 90's. There was only few divided highways roads at that time.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #14322
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C'mon, please discuss it in the Turkish forum...
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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:56 PM   #14323
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Mszana bridge now is ready, A2-between Lodz and Warszawa is ready also. But did you forget already how long it took to finish especially that infamous bridge? It is not that quick to replace one contractor with another. So that was my consideration, time not just money. Also to add to that, some parts like S69 or remaining section of A4 are still under construction, It is soooo long overdue. So it is not that pain - free as you would suggest.
I think that they did it quite quickly compared to other countries.
Yes, time is money. But I dare to say that one year delay can't be more than some 2-3 % of the economic value of the motorway (given that after 30 - 40 years the motorway has to be totally rebuilt and the investment is over). The economic value of the motorway could also be expressed by the maximum payment a society would be willing to pay for the motorway.

Now most motorways undergo a cost benefit analysis. Let's say that our motorway has benefit/costs ratio 3/1. That is quite high. That means, in our example, that one year of delay is worth 6 to 10 % of the costs.

I.e. if the costs would drop by 50 %, that would still pay off a delay of approximately 5 years with benefit/costs 3/1.

Costs: 100 mld
Benefits: 300 mld

yearly delay costs: 10 mld costs
50 % price drop: 50 mld benefit

That is just some crude thought behind it on a simple example.

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Old May 28th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #14324
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This is just strictly economic calculation which who knows you are maybe right with but how about social, environmental and human factors? Quality of life people living in the areas of construction and places that traffic is redirected to due to that construction works? How about saved lives and injures from car accidents that could be avoided knowing that motorways are safer than two way roads?. How about people suing government for lasting noise and unhealthily condition due to that very same construction? Longer construction just simply doesn't benefit anyone in any way.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 10:03 AM   #14325
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This is just strictly economic calculation which who knows you are maybe right with but how about social, environmental and human factors? Quality of life people living in the areas of construction and places that traffic is redirected to due to that construction works? How about saved lives and injures from car accidents that could be avoided knowing that motorways are safer than two way roads?. How about people suing government for lasting noise and unhealthily condition due to that very same construction? Longer construction just simply doesn't benefit anyone in any way.
That is included in the cost benefit analysis.

If you would be building a house and you could chose from having it in 1 year for 1 mln € or having it in 2 years for 0.5 €...

Further on. Don't forget that awarding contracts for high price doesn't necessarily mean that they will take shorter time and cheaper ones will take longer. On the other side it can happen that new tender after cancelling the first one, will result in much more expensive contract.

I think that the crucial part here is good quality and schedule control, together with legally bulletproof contract that transfer most of the risk on the constructors. If you commit yourself to such policies, fake contractors won't simply have much chances to undermine the tendering by too low price, or the quality of the works, as it won't be profitable for them.
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Old May 30th, 2015, 02:24 AM   #14326
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Old June 1st, 2015, 12:05 AM   #14327
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Mazowiecki bridge U/C in Rzeszów





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Old June 2nd, 2015, 06:19 PM   #14328
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S8 in Warsaw (beginning of Marki bypass)
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Junction "Marki" and the town of Marki


Temporary end of S8


View in opposite direction


Location of future interchange with S17 and Warsaw skyline as a bonus


End of the u/c section. The rest towards Radzymin is in design phase.
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 05:27 PM   #14330
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S8 Warszawa - Mszczonów

A contract with Intercor was signed today to design and build an 11,6 km expressway from Paszków to Przeszkoda. 436,65 mln PLN / € 105,71 mln. Completion date: October 2018.

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Old June 3rd, 2015, 05:31 PM   #14331
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For those who are interested it this, source:
http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/pl/a/18874/...u-S8-podpisana
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Old June 8th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #14332
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Some swedish motor-organzations claim that it is compulsary to have a fire extinguisher in your car if you bring it to Poland, is this true or is it only necessary for polish registered vehicles ?
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Old June 8th, 2015, 01:46 AM   #14333
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Only for cars registered in Poland. In the case of police control, foreigners may invoke the Vienna Conventions, which says that car necessary equipment must comply with the provisions of the country of registration.

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One of the practical aspects of this convention is that the traffic police has no right to impose a mandate on drivers of foreign cars, equipped in accordance with the list of native rights arising from traffic, but not enough from the point of view of the country through which they may pass. In particular, for example, the German police in Germany can not punish Polish drivers for the lack of or improperly equipped first-aid kit car (in Poland it is recommended but not obligatory, while vehicles registered in Germany must have it and it is equipped with strictly defined medical supplies), and Poland police in Poland - German drivers for the lack of a fire extinguisher, which in Germany is not mandatory.
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Old June 8th, 2015, 07:42 AM   #14334
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2 years of construction S8 Expressway Warszawa-Janki (the south). June 2013-June 2015 :

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Czerwiec 2013



Czerwiec 2014



Czerwiec 2015 (foto Matts)

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Old June 8th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #14335
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Aerial view of Raszyn bypass.

Interchange Opacz (S2/S7xS8) in top left, interchange Warszawa-Janki (S8xDK7) on the bottom:
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Old June 8th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #14337
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The road going south-east from this interchange (right on the photo) will be part of DK7. (Until S7 gets built in new corridor a few kilometers east from this area.) The old DK7 and DK8 in Raszyn and Janki ("the big fork") will not be DK's anymore.
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End of July now is the revised opening date for S8 Opacz - Janki
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End of July now is the revised opening date for S8 Opacz - Janki
I thought there was "low liklihood to be opened earlier" than 30th June 2015: source (6th June version)
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Old June 8th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #14340
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I thought there was "low liklihood to be opened earlier" than 30th June 2015: source (6th June version)
I don't think the Janki interchange with DK8 is fully complete that's all ??? Some slip roads not paved etc and viaducts not connecting to allow exit/extry onto S8 from DK8
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