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Old July 10th, 2015, 10:16 PM   #14441
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They recently added some spurs like DK95, 96 & 97. I don't really see the added value of that.
Road's connecting DK routes with S or A roads are obliged to have DK statuses too. This and the other parallel 9x routes like 91 and 93 make a huge mess. They should of just numbered the new spurs with bigger numbers, f.e. DK95 becomes DK115 etc.

I never actually understood the point of renumbering the main DK rotues to 9x, I don't see any problem's with A1, S1 and DK1 co-existing.
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Old July 10th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #14442
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The DK9x numbers in Poland are introduced after an old 1-digit national road gets replaced by an autostrada. For instance, DK1 is now A1, so the old route is renumbered DK91.

As the Świecie bypass was also numbered DK1 in the past, it is now DK91, and thereby, S91 because it is a droga ekspresowa.

S91 is not a standalone route though.
Aha, so it actually makes perfect sense. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the S91 only at that point, rather than S5/S91?

More to the point, why did the DK1 run that way anyway?

Renumbering the old DK routes does make sense in one way - if people see DK1, they might think "Hmm, this is a viable alternative" - but DK91 strongly suggests that you should take the motorway.
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Old July 11th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #14443
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Old July 12th, 2015, 02:03 AM   #14444
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They should of just numbered the new spurs with bigger numbers, f.e. DK95 becomes DK115 etc.
Three digits number roads can`t be national roads (DK, A, S) but only voivodeship roads (DW). The rules are that national roads (DK, S, A) are be able to have only one or two digits number.
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Old July 12th, 2015, 07:01 AM   #14445
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true but the numbering system has become totally inflexible

Unless they start doing renumbering stringing random streets together...
But honestly there are perhaps too many DK roads... so many can be downloaded to DW jurisdiction (unless the voivode doesn't want to pay??)
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Old July 12th, 2015, 07:11 PM   #14446
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Poligonowa street in Lublin - new northern access to S12/S17/S19 Lublin bypass:

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Old July 13th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #14447
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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:06 PM   #14448
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A lot of offers on motorway construction tenders were published recently.

I noticed how practically all offers are below budget, even 30 - 40% lower than the government estimate is no exception. What is the reason behind this? Are they conservative with their project estimates? Are they now able to fund much more projects? A saving of € 10+ million, per contract, occurs at some projects. That means they must have savings in the billions of złotych by now.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:43 PM   #14449
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There are a few factors in play here. GDDKiA uses estimates calculated by companies doing early concepts and feasibility studies for investments. Those estimates are based on historical records, current and forecasted market prices, which can obviously be very variable, so the estimates are very conservative. But I think two biggest reasons for such discrepancies (compared to tenders in many other countries) I think are as follows:
1) fierce competition - there are companies from all over the world fighting for those contracts, so the profit margins are very low;
2) most of new GDDKiA contracts are "optimize and build" type, which basically means that the contrator is allowed to modify the design to find savings, as long as all minimal requirements are met.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #14450
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Aside from the free hand that the companies get to find savings in the designs I would say that the transparency, well forged contracts and open competition is what drives the prices down.

Any kind of procedures that hinder competition and transparency will allways increase the prices. It is that simple.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 01:18 AM   #14451
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S8 in Warsaw (Salomea-Wolica) will be opened soon.

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Old July 17th, 2015, 11:05 AM   #14452
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June

Number of road accidents

- 2015: 2.950
- 2014: 3.229
- 2013: 3.308


Road fatalities

- 2015: 207
- 2014: 264
- 2013: 267


Number of wounded

- 2015: 3.608
- 2014: 3.949
- 2013: 4.110

January-June

Number of road accidents

- 2015: 14.912
- 2014: 15.812
- 2013: 14.931


Road fatalities

- 2015: 1.259
- 2014: 1.384
- 2013: 1.331


Number of wounded

- 2015: 18.040
- 2014: 19.274
- 2013: 18.433

http://statystyka.policja.pl/st/ruch...esiecznym.html
Well, despite of better roads and increasing number of motorways/expressways the amount of road fatalities and wounded haven't decreased at all ! It even stepped up in 2014, why?

Without a serious and comprehensive road safety program and real punishment for crazy, irresponsible roadhogs. Since those "criminals" won't get this status lawfully fixed to them; and not as it is actually, get away by just paying a very little fine and/or have a short licence withdrawal for driving 50+ km/h over the speed limit (only introduced since 18th May this year, yes!), passing with impunity at 150+ km/h in front of schools, it won't go any better in the future.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 01:33 PM   #14453
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Well, despite of better roads and increasing number of motorways/expressways the amount of road fatalities and wounded haven't decreased at all ! It even stepped up in 2014, why?
I am looking at Bulgarian statistics, and we have an increase on road fatalities in 2014 as well,despite of the expansion of the motorway network, thus eliminating heavy traffic from some of the roads that had most accidents. In the years before 2014 fatalities were going down. This year so far there is an increase in accidents and fatalities. The reason, I believe, is that the economy is growing and with it traffic on the roads, cheaper oil also contributes. Last time I drove from Sofia to Varna, I couldn't believe my eyes what I was seeing. I expected more traffic from tourists, but the road was full of trucks and vans. I drive a few times per year to Sofia and I've never seen anything like that. The situation in Poland is probably similar - growing economy, cheaper oil, so more cars, doing more kilometers on the roads. Which lead to more accidents. Without the new motorways and expressways, this increase could be even bigger.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 06:17 PM   #14454
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It's also not only a matter of expanding the road system, but also ameliorating the roads we have. There is a lot of work to be done there as well.

On the other hand fatalities are already down 125 people in the first half of the year. That is almost 10% compared to last year, which is not a small decrease. The sharp decrease has come this month after new laws were introduced. We'll see if the trend continues. If it does, we could have the lowest number of road fatalities ever in 2015.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 12:33 AM   #14455
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S8 south western exit from Warsaw is now officially open.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 12:45 AM   #14456
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S8 south western exit from Warsaw is now officially open.
Raszyn can finally breathe - no more traffic jams there and a nicer place for it's residents
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Old July 18th, 2015, 01:05 AM   #14457
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WwbCaoDPGQ

A short video of the moment of the opening
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A short video of the moment of the opening
Is the Warsaw-bound lane not open for traffic? It is empty
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Old July 18th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #14459
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It opened a few moments later, these are the very first cars traveling southbound on the road.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 01:46 PM   #14460
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Update by @Hetaman

Total lenght of A- and S-roads in Poland - 3089,2 km (including 194 km of single carriageway S-roads)

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