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Old July 18th, 2015, 05:50 PM   #14461
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Wow. what a difference the S8 bypass has made to Raszyn - no traffic going towards Warsaw!

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Old July 19th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #14462
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Polish Prime Minister just has announced that new expressway Brzesko - Nowy Sącz will be built as a priority.

The investition will allow to connect Nowy Sącz with existing A4 motorway. New motorway exit is already being built in Brzesko ( it will replace temporary exit that is used today ). The new exit will be connected with the Nowy Sącz - Brzesko expressway (south bound ) and voievodeship road DW 768 ( north bound to Warsaw ). BTW the DW 786 is being partially built as a new trail.

Brzesko - Nowy Sącz expressway is essential to provide fast connection between densely populated south-eastern part of Małopolska region and Krakow/Tarnow/A4/S7/DW768 to Warsaw.

Nowy Sącz and its surroundings are very attractive for tourists ( mountain ranges of Beskid Sądecki, Beskid Wyspowy, Pieniny; spas like Krynica, Szczawnica, Piwniczna, Muszyna, Żegiestów (which is being rebuilt from the ashes actually) and lots of other pleasant towns and places like Stary Sącz, Lipnica Murowana, Wiśnicz, Ciężkowice, Czchów, jezioro Rożnowskie, slovakian Lubovla, Bardejów. The new road will help to explore the region's treasures.

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http://forsal.pl/artykuly/883791,wie...alopolski.html

In my opinion "Beskidzka route" which is planned to build/modernize would be great complement to those investitions.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #14463
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It`s a political game. There is no "technical" decisions and documents to build that road.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 07:14 PM   #14464
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Absolutely. On the other hand, route 75 is very busy. It would be nice if there was an expressway. However, I expect not all of 1.53 bln Euros will be spent. Anyway, it will make profit.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 07:33 PM   #14465
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Busy is one of good reasons. Another is a vital connection to A4, hence EU network which would be a massive upgrade of this regions chances in accumulating future investments. There are a lot of good companies there: Fakro( EU no2 roof window maker), Newag (trains) and so on.
Also it would help developing tourism there, as stated above.

Last but not the least, it would become a perfect access for Lesser Poland and others to reach Eastern Slovakia, Hungary,Romania and further.
As there are limited chances for any alternative East of S69.

Only we would need an express road from Nowy Sącz to the border in Mniszek( 2/3 lanes would suit all fine, just like S69 from Żywiec to Zwardoń) plus a connector from the border to Slovakian D1 along 77 going then thru Prešov to Košice.

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Old July 19th, 2015, 07:48 PM   #14466
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Busy is one of good reasons. Another is a vital connection to A4, hence EU network which would be a massive upgrade of this regions chances in accumulating future investments. There are a lot of good companies there: Fakro( EU no2 roof window maker), Newag (trains) and so on.
Also it would help developing tourism there, as stated above.

Last but not the least, it would become a perfect access for Lesser Poland and others to reach Eastern Slovakia, Hungary,Romania and further.
As there are limited chances for any alternative East of S69.

Only we would need an express road from Nowy Sącz to the border in Mniszek( 2/3 lanes would suit all fine, just like S69 from Żywiec to Zwardoń) plus a connector from the border to Slovakian D1 along 77 going then thru Prešov to Košice.

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Then Polish would ask their southern neighbor for cooperation. As I see from the map, it won't be less than $1bln. About the alternative for S69, S7/7 would suit, even though it is quite busy. And about 2/3 lanes, wouldn't 1/2 be enough to the border from Nowy Sacz? The town is very big, and few would go further. A road in the mountains with 110 average is superb.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 08:08 PM   #14467
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It`s a political game. There is no "technical" decisions and documents to build that road.
The first step in such cases is always political decision and it looks like the one has been undertaken. I know what is the background of such decision - trying to collect as much votes, during oncoming parlamentary elections, as possible in Małopolska that is, in general, a bastion of right wing in Polish politics. So even if the goverment will change, the decision hopefuly won't be canceled.

On the other hand sad truth is this region is underinvested comparing to its economical potential and population. Have in mind that on the other side of southern border live quite a few potential Slovakian or even Hungarian clients and business partners for Polish entrepreneus. These days border mountains shouldn't be a major obstacle to create infrastructural, economical and cultural ties, as it was in the far past.
As an example: I travel quite often via Krakow/Balice airport and have noticed plenty of Slovakian license plates around it (also in entire region). Once I had an opportunity to ask one Slovak about the phenomenon. He has told me there's no connection from Bratislava to place where he was traveling, moreover to Krakow airport he had 180 km while to Bratislava around 200.

Can imagine what would be the difference for Slovaks if Polish S7 expressway would be finished to the border and Nowy Sącz - Brzesko expressway built and in use. Those would be, for our southern neighbours, good routes to Tricity's ports as well. These people are spending money here - we should do everything to make it easy for them.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 08:31 PM   #14468
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The first step in such cases is always political decision and it looks like the one has been undertaken. I know what is the background of such decision - trying to collect as much votes, during oncoming parlamentary elections, as possible in Małopolska that is, in general, a bastion of right wing in Polish politics. So even if the goverment will change, the decision hopefuly won't be canceled.

On the other hand sad truth is this region is underinvested comparing to its economical potential and population. Have in mind that on the other side of southern border live quite a few potential Slovakian or even Hungarian clients and business partners for Polish entrepreneus. These days border mountains shouldn't be a major obstacle to create infrastructural, economical and cultural ties, as it was in the far past.
As an example: I travel quite often via Krakow/Balice airport and have noticed plenty of Slovakian license plates around it (also in entire region). Once I had an opportunity to ask one Slovak about the phenomenon. He has told me there's no connection from Bratislava to place where he was traveling, moreover to Krakow airport he had 180 km while to Bratislava around 200.

Can imagine what would be the difference for Slovaks if Polish S7 expressway would be finished to the border and Nowy Sącz - Brzesko expressway built and in use. Those would be, for our southern neighbours, good routes to Tricity's ports as well. These people are spending money here - we should do everything to make it easy for them.
Valid points, but you could make the same arguments for any border region. The truth is the Poland was so far concentrating on connecting the biggest cities and building roads to the west where most of our export goes.
And we still have a lot to do in that respect.
At least finally Polish road authority is pushing to finish S3, S5, S7, S8, and S17, all roads which connect big population and industrial centres of the country. There are lots of tenders being awarded as we speak.
I would also argue that S11 would be more important that any mountain expressway.

I have family in the mountains and really like New Sacz but S road there is not a priority. It is blatant vote buying which won't help current government anyway as this part of Poland is bastion of the right wing.

I'm curious how our road building programme will change when the government changes. We can probably expect more announcements in the east of the cuntry
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Old July 19th, 2015, 08:39 PM   #14469
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For example BY-Suwalki-Elk-Olsztyn and Tereszpol-Siedlce-Warszawa? Belarus would be happy as the country built motorways to the border
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Old July 19th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #14470
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Given that Belarus is in an economic crisis, it's not that beneficial to invest in roads in that region for the moment. It's more important to connect the Baltic States, Slovakia and the Czech Republic more closely, together with Ukraine. For military reasons we should keep the roads with Belarus and Russia not too much developed.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 08:46 PM   #14471
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...together with Ukraine. For military reasons we should keep the roads with Belarus and Russia not too much developed.
Do you think Ukraine will build some roads to poland if the budget of Ukraine on road development is <120$ mln and the country is on the edge of default
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Then Polish would ask their southern neighbor for cooperation. As I see from the map, it won't be less than $1bln. About the alternative for S69, S7/7 would suit, even though it is quite busy. And about 2/3 lanes, wouldn't 1/2 be enough to the border from Nowy Sacz? The town is very big, and few would go further. A road in the mountains with 110 average is superb.
I meant:
2/3 lanes in total; 1 per each direction, some parts an extra fastlane for overtaking.

S7 is good to reach Vienna or Croatia, not really useful for targets i mentioned before.

Plus after Rabka there is very little reason to upgrade it, as it serves to almost no local traffic (comparing with Nowy Sącz overcrowded area)
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Old July 19th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #14473
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Do you think Ukraine will build some roads to poland if the budget of Ukraine on road development is <120$ mln and the country is on the edge of default
For sure it will take some while. Poland has given Ukraine a 100 million euro loan, which will partially be used to improve the border crossings on the Ukrainian side. It's at least something.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #14474
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Valid points, but you could make the same arguments for any border region...
As you've noticed S3 to Czech Rep. is being built and will be finished around 2020. The same with S8 to Lithuania. A1 have reached eastern parts of Czech Rep. When it comes to west bound we've got two motorways A2/A4. A4 to the Ukrainian border is almost finished. S17 to Lublin is an improvement for Ukrainian direction. There's no demand for motorway connection with Belarus at the moment.

The only border without existing or planned to build in near future proper expressway/motorway connection is or was till today Slovakian border. Taking into account the distance from Poland to Hungary through Slovakia, such roads like S7 and announced NS-Brzesko would serve as a wide corridor into Poland for two countries with well-developed, growing economies. Shall we wait for Romanian/Croatian havens, Czechs/Austrian airports, Vienna's stock exchange to attract more and more of them and their money ? Proper road/train routes are essential to create stronger economical ties. Many steps in this direction have been undertaken regarding to other borders, excluding the Slovakian one.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #14475
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has any of you travelled A1 between Pyrzowice and Bytom lately ?

this is a scandal !
this route is something like 2-3years old and now is full of bumps !!!
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European Investment Bank loans 800 euros mln for Polish roads

The European Investment Bank has granted Polish state-owned lender Bank Gospodarstwa Krajowego loans worth a total of 800 million euros ($868.40 million) for further financing of expressway construction in Poland, EIB said on Monday.

The bank granted Poland 5.5 billion euros in total in 2014, including 1.8 billion euros of road-building financing.

Poland, the region's biggest economy, is the biggest net beneficiary of EU funds. That has contributed to Poland's fast economic growth, forecast by the Polish central bank to be 3.6 percent in 2015.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...10011B20150720
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Old July 20th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #14478
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has any of you travelled A1 between Pyrzowice and Bytom lately ?



this is a scandal !

this route is something like 2-3years old and now is full of bumps !!!

I have and it is, probably due to underground minning issues. At least, i guess, warranty covers that
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Old July 21st, 2015, 02:34 PM   #14479
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S-7 Trojmiasto-Elblag (40km) will cost ~3,218 mld zł. = ~850mln $

http://www.trojmiasto.pl/wiadomosci/...zl-n92653.html
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Old July 21st, 2015, 04:30 PM   #14480
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Do you know something about the border town with the Wolyn region of Hrubieszow and its bypass. The town is of moderate size and too strict speeds are installed. AFAIK the bypass is u/c since 2012 but isn't yet open? What about Przeworsk or Brzesko motorway exit? They were planned on maps since 2010. What's up?
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