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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:03 PM   #14481
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Do you know something about the border town with the Wolyn region of Hrubieszow and its bypass. The town is of moderate size and too strict speeds are installed. AFAIK the bypass is u/c since 2012 but isn't yet open?
Deadline for completion of Hrubieszów bypass is 10.2015.
First contract was sing on 21.07.2011 and next terminated. New one is ongoing from 6.05.2015.
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http://www.obwodnica-hrubieszow.pl/
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What about Przeworsk or Brzesko motorway exit? They were planned on maps since 2010. What's up?
What do you mean?
Brzesko motorway exit exists. The only A4 b/n Rzeszów east and Przeworsk is u/c, shouled be completed till 5.2016 but it is possible the end of the year (12.2015).
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:20 PM   #14482
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What about Przeworsk or Brzesko motorway exit? They were planned on maps since 2010. What's up?
Both northern and southern access roads to Brzesko exit are under construction. Northern part (DW768) should be opened anytime now. Southern part (DK75) is scheduled for November, but it might be delayed.

Northern access to Przeworsk exit is completed and will be opened together with the motorway. Southern access (towards ex-DK4) is tendered and should be completed in 2018.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:21 PM   #14483
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Do you know something about the border town with the Wolyn region of Hrubieszow and its bypass. The town is of moderate size and too strict speeds are installed. AFAIK the bypass is u/c since 2012 but isn't yet open? What about Przeworsk or Brzesko motorway exit? They were planned on maps since 2010. What's up?

Brzesko exit connector late 15/early 2016, but temporary exit is there

Przeworsk
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:24 PM   #14484
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Also if you are interested in deadlines of other road projects in Poland, check this summary of roads that are under construction or tender:
http://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/mapa-nawierzchni/s.PNG
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:31 PM   #14485
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Oops, I've messed up, I meant Przeworsk bypass from southern side
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:50 PM   #14486
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The DK94 bypass will not be constructed before 2023 (since it shouldn't be needed after A4 gets opened), only the DW835 bypass will be completed.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 09:20 PM   #14487
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As you've noticed S3 to Czech Rep. is being built and will be finished around 2020. The same with S8 to Lithuania. A1 have reached eastern parts of Czech Rep. When it comes to west bound we've got two motorways A2/A4. A4 to the Ukrainian border is almost finished. S17 to Lublin is an improvement for Ukrainian direction. There's no demand for motorway connection with Belarus at the moment.

The only border without existing or planned to build in near future proper expressway/motorway connection is or was till today Slovakian border. Taking into account the distance from Poland to Hungary through Slovakia, such roads like S7 and announced NS-Brzesko would serve as a wide corridor into Poland for two countries with well-developed, growing economies. Shall we wait for Romanian/Croatian havens, Czechs/Austrian airports, Vienna's stock exchange to attract more and more of them and their money ? Proper road/train routes are essential to create stronger economical ties. Many steps in this direction have been undertaken regarding to other borders, excluding the Slovakian one.
S7 all the way to the Slovakian border absolutely makes lots of sense even for yesterday.
It will serve huge Polish traffic from Krakow south to the Tatras and other mountain regions and further down to Slovakia.

Connection via Nowy Sacz is far less important. There are much fewer important population centres down there. All the traffic from Krakow to Bratislava, Budapest and Vienna can go via S7.

So, surely, at some point Nowy Sacz should get decent connection with Krakow but at the moment it is not a priority.

That's why I think that all those announcements is just buying votes.

Anyway, we'll see in a few years.

And I'm not even going to comment on Vienna stock exchange. I can't imagine serious investors driving there for hours instead of flying
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Old July 21st, 2015, 09:30 PM   #14488
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Absolutely. S7 is way busier than 75, still the latter is busy too. S7 would be also better as Zakopane is nearby. However Nowy Sacz is a big town too. You are right.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:04 AM   #14489
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S7 all the way to the Slovakian border absolutely makes lots of sense even for yesterday.
It will serve huge Polish traffic from Krakow south to the Tatras and other mountain regions and further down to Slovakia.

Connection via Nowy Sacz is far less important. There are much fewer important population centres down there. All the traffic from Krakow to Bratislava, Budapest and Vienna can go via S7.

So, surely, at some point Nowy Sacz should get decent connection with Krakow but at the moment it is not a priority.

That's why I think that all those announcements is just buying votes.

Anyway, we'll see in a few years.

And I'm not even going to comment on Vienna stock exchange. I can't imagine serious investors driving there for hours instead of flying
I largely agree, however, one needs to understand that the DK/S7 is already dual carriageway to Lubień and will be dual carriageway all the way to Chabówka in a few years. Right now Skomielna Biała is the biggest bottleneck on that route, and this will be cleaned up with the S7 extension, leaving only Jabłonka as a minor bottleneck.

Also, when the 69 around Żywiec is finished, and hopefully in a few years around Węgierska Górka as well, this will be a faster route, as there will be high-capacity road from the Polish border all the way to Gdańsk, Warsaw and further, and on the Slovak side the motorway will start again in Żylina. Still a 100 km+ detour for whoever comes from Hungary, the Balkans and Turkey who wishes to be in Northern Poland, which I would personally solve by building a ring road around Jabłonka, and then tolling it ridiculously high (somewhere in the 50 to 100 PLN range) for trucks >12t, while banning trucks which don't have a destination in the powiats nowotarski or tatrzański from taking the local roads to bypass the bypass...

Anyway, back to topic, I can see why the 75 to Sącz is suddenly an issue, and sure, the timing is quite funny right before the election, but the 75 is nowhere near comparable to the 7, and this should've been an issue already years ago. Even in the middle of the night it's difficult to make a decent time on that road, and Nowy Sącz is still a mid-sized city with plenty of industry. In terms of alignment, the 75 barely adheres to the standards of a powiat road, let alone a national road, and Nowy Sącz also doesn't really have a meaningful rail connection with the rest of the country. It's madness to think that a city like that does not need a road of at least GP class to connect it the Polish motorway system, and from class GP to class S, it's not that much of an extra upgrade in terms of the financial burden, but a huge upgrade in terms of how it sounds to the media ("upgraded DK", or "brand new express road") which might be useful close to the election...
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 10:56 AM   #14490
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Our Voivodeship is simply not that firendly during the elections to current ruling party (which has power for almost decade).
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:21 PM   #14491
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...And I'm not even going to comment on Vienna stock exchange. I can't imagine serious investors driving there for hours instead of flying
I can imagine Slovakian or Hungarian company that decides send their freight to Gdańsk cargo terminal instead of Lubeka because they calculated that using S7 or DK75 will be faster and cheaper than other options north or south. Thanks to better road connections the company sells more on Polish market as well and establishes new economical relations with Polish co-operators. Company is growing ( cooperators too). Funds are needed for further development. Gentlemen from the management board gathered to make a decision - Warsaw or Vienna's stock exchange would better fits our needs ? I'm sure Warsaw chances would be far better with S7/DK75 than without it.

Honestly speaking I don't really care whether serious investor will drive S7 or take a plane.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 09:19 PM   #14492
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Do you know something about the border town with the Wolyn region of Hrubieszow and its bypass. The town is of moderate size and too strict speeds are installed. AFAIK the bypass is u/c since 2012 but isn't yet open? What about Przeworsk or Brzesko motorway exit? They were planned on maps since 2010. What's up?
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IMO the best map in Polish forum, most detailed and up to date - credits to user igorsel.



Hrubieszów bypass is u/c, completion date X 2015

Legend from left to right: existing, u/c, contract signed, tender for construction, tender for design & bulid, enviromental decison (sort of paperworks done).

Legend from top to bottom: highway, expressway, 1 lane expressway, national road (DK) without level crossing, DK with level crossing, bypass with level crossing.
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Old July 24th, 2015, 09:57 AM   #14493
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Old July 24th, 2015, 10:34 AM   #14494
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WHY S7 NEAR KRAKOW AND WARSZAWA IN DSU WHILE IN RURAL PLACES COMPLETED?
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Old July 24th, 2015, 10:42 AM   #14495
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Why are you yelling?
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Old July 24th, 2015, 11:41 AM   #14496
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WHY S7 NEAR KRAKOW AND WARSZAWA IN DSU WHILE IN RURAL PLACES COMPLETED?
Probably because Kraków branch of GDDKiA was busy with A4, and Warszawa branch was busy with A2 and S8. For Kielce and Olsztyn branches S7 was the most important road, so it is now mostly completed in these regions.
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I'm sorry for yelling, still I don't get it, maybe they already should tender these parts rather than others. At least Krakow is no more busy with A4 and now it is fully on the responsibility of Podkarpackie. Maybe it's just time to make S7 to Chyzne and S47 to Zakopane.
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Old July 24th, 2015, 12:21 PM   #14498
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I'm happy that S69 is opened as a Zywiec bypass. At last no trucks in the city
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Old July 24th, 2015, 04:34 PM   #14499
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