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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:15 PM   #1441
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Because they're all expressways
There are lots of rules for motorways, expy's have a little more 'freedom' considering rules.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:19 PM   #1442
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Why there are almost no highways near Warszawa?
Ekhmmm... I don't know either.. But instead for that we have some Expressways, which is almost the same.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:19 PM   #1443
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I see.. so it's the same issue as in CZ with the definition of highways, motorways, expressways...?
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:24 PM   #1444
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Yes, but you have 130 km/h on both, and we have this stupid 110 km/h on expressways noone follows...
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:26 PM   #1445
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And there are of course other differences between motorways and expy's, like more narrow lanes, steeper curves, tighter curves, and so on.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:30 PM   #1446
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Yes, but you have 130 km/h on both, and we have this stupid 110 km/h on expressways noone follows...
Is the speedlimit the only difference? By the way, I noticed that people in Poland barely follow 130 kmph either! The same as Czechs...
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:35 PM   #1447
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Is the speedlimit the only difference?
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By the way, I noticed that people in Poland barely follow 130 kmph either! The same as Czechs...
We generally don't follow any speed limits so the motorway is last place to worry about
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:46 PM   #1448
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Yeah, Polish drivers are generally not the best behaved drivers in Europe
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:50 PM   #1449
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We generally don't follow any speed limits so the motorway is last place to worry about
That's probably also why Poland usually ranks very low at traffic safety lists
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 10:55 PM   #1450
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We generally don't follow any speed limits so the motorway is last place to worry about
It's just that people tend to think that if they drive a bit faster than given sped limit, it's still safe and noone gets hurt...until actually someone does get hurt.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 11:26 PM   #1451
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It's just that people tend to think that if they drive a bit faster than given sped limit, it's still safe and noone gets hurt...until actually someone does get hurt.
My experience is that in both Poland and Czech people do not respect speed limits (and rules generaly) at all. In nordic countries, you barely see anyone speeding at 150 kmph while in EE this is almost an average speed.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 11:33 PM   #1452
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Why there are almost no highways near Warszawa?
I hope this will answer your doubts


Those marked with [Sx] are expressways. All will be at least 2x3.

Then there are so called GP-roads (droga Główna ruchu Przyspieszonego - Main road of accelareted movement). All of them will be at least 2x2, most of them with main route at least elevated above crossings, but full interchages also occur.

A good example of a GP-road is Trasa Siekierkowska (Siekierkowska Route) which with such an interchange:

(forget the dates - they might start the final, blue part this autmn)

As you can see - there will be a crossing with lights (roundabout)... but still quite an express-route...
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 11:46 PM   #1453
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As you can see on previous maps, S8 Konotopa-Powazkowska is under construction and there is a bidding for S2 Pulawska-Lotnisko and S79 too

Probably it was discussed hundred of times in polish forum but why S8 can't go on route of Trasa Mostu Północnego (Northern Bridge Route) ?
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 12:03 AM   #1454
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I like this interchange very much. You Poles are just fascinated with these complicated interchanges? Another example is A4xA1 near Gliwice.
But no offense...I like it
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 12:06 AM   #1455
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Well, Sośnica Interchange in Gliwice will also take national road DK44, in future there is also plans to build collective lanes for A4 in western direction so... it has to be big Well, it's nothing wrong if we will have one massive interchange
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 12:08 AM   #1456
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Probably it was discussed hundred of times in polish forum but why S8 can't go on route of Trasa Mostu Północnego (Northern Bridge Route) ?
Well... actually I've never seen this particular discussion on SSC. And I don't want to carry on an OT.

My general answer: no idea.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 10:33 AM   #1457
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I hope this will answer your doubts

All will be at least 2x3.
So, which of them do exist now?

Anyway, it seems that Poland will face the same problem as Czech, I mean that there will be two kinds of roads which are almost the same quality but just "highways" will be listed on the maps. People will think that there are no modern roads in Poland.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 11:00 AM   #1458
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So, which of them do exist now?
Here you are.

Generally speaking:
- red - existing
- orange - under construction
- green - ongoing tender
- pale blue - advanced administrative process
- purple - ongoing analisys / lack of information / proposed projects

I've been working on it for a while, but it is still not 100% ready: not all sections are included & not all information applied. I do it for my NGO and I have to do something else except writing on SSC and non-profit work.


But!
Even some existing roads are now marked somewhat-else-than-red, because of their planned upgrade. An example here is northern bypass (marked pale blue). Now it is a nice GP-road, but it will be upgraded to a full expressway.

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Anyway, it seems that Poland will face the same problem as Czech, I mean that there will be two kinds of roads which are almost the same quality but just "highways" will be listed on the maps. People will think that there are no modern roads in Poland.
I agree with you.

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Old November 3rd, 2008, 11:06 AM   #1459
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Well... actually I've never seen this particular discussion on SSC. And I don't want to carry on an OT.

My general answer: no idea.
This discussion was quite long ago, about 2003 or something I just found it by looking on old posts from topics about planned routes in Warsaw
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 02:20 PM   #1460
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Anyway, it seems that Poland will face the same problem as Czech, I mean that there will be two kinds of roads which are almost the same quality but just "highways" will be listed on the maps. People will think that there are no modern roads in Poland.
Currently we have 1200km listed as highways and expressways and 600km U/C (highways/expressays) but we also have around 2000km of roads classified as DK (droga krajowa). In many other countries some of them would be listed as full blown highways. Not so in Poland. Nevermind highways they are not even up to our inflated expressway standards.

Great example is DTS (Drogowa Trasa Srednicowa) whichg is 2*3 crossing Upper Silesian conturbation. It is neither a highway nor an expressway because it has too many exits.



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