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Old November 3rd, 2008, 02:21 PM   #1461
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By highway, you mean an Autostrada?
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 03:06 PM   #1462
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DTS should be a expressway... like S911 or something but law is constructed in that way there can't a three digit numberation for expressways
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:09 PM   #1463
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By highway, you mean an Autostrada?
Yeah, I think he meant that
3/4 (correct me if I'm wrong) of the DTŚ isn't even a national road - it's just DW902 (droga wojewódzka - voivodeship road~)

The most significant difference between autostrada and droga ekspresowa is the lane width - 3,75 m for A and 3,5 m for S; if you can understand Polish - well - I don't think so, there are pretty difficult words, too :P - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=565578&page=2 post #22
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:17 PM   #1464
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Does DTS have any number? DKxx or sth?
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:22 PM   #1465
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He just said it's DW 902
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:27 PM   #1466
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The problem we face is that despite having few motorways(autostrada) statistics show even less than there actually are.

Officially we have 761,3 km of A roads in operation and 210,5 km U/C

But if we would say that all S 2x2 and all 2x2 roads with flyovers are A, then we would have 1200 km of A roads in operation and 470 km U/C !
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:29 PM   #1467
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I see now. I had this window still opened and jakup already answered my question before I asked it
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:33 PM   #1468
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The problem we face is that despite having few motorways(autostrada) statistics show even less than there actually are.

Officially we have 761,3 km of A roads in operation and 210,5 km U/C

But if we would say that all S 2x2 and all 2x2 roads with flyovers are A, then we would have 1200 km of A roads in operation and 470 km U/C !
A common problem in a lot of countries, road maps only show the "real" motorways, for instance, look at Google Earth to Spain from a distance and you'll notice only a few motorways, while when you zoom in a lot, there are many more. This is also an issue in countries like France, Poland, Czech Republic and others.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 05:31 PM   #1469
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But what is the reason for a country to establish motorways and motorroads. Here in Germany we only have very few motorroads, and they are usually federal or state roads.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 05:35 PM   #1470
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Our expressways are toll free, that's why. Maybe the EU electronic toll system will make us rename S to A
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 05:40 PM   #1471
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From a certain altitude, this is what I get on GE:

[IMG]http://i34.************/2niutqq.jpg[/IMG]

Only motorways visible, no expy's
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 07:15 PM   #1472
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Does DTS have any number? DKxx or sth?
It is signed as DTŚ by this logo

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Old November 3rd, 2008, 07:42 PM   #1473
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As it has different numbers on different sections.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 08:09 PM   #1474
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The best way would be just put DTŚ on red bakgroud, as other road numbers and add expressway sign to it, but no, not in Poland... maybe law will be chaged somewhen in future
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 08:15 PM   #1475
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Trasa Siekierkowska / Siekierkowska Route intersection on right bank of Vistula:

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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:24 PM   #1476
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The best way would be just put DTŚ on red bakgroud, as other road numbers and add expressway sign to it, but no, not in Poland... maybe law will be chaged somewhen in future
It's GP class so you can drive 100 km/h on there so ot's not that bad. If the intersections were not that close as it is today it could be S-way. Weird law about that
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:32 PM   #1477
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It could as well be A with 100 km/h(just like A4 in Katowice, not far from DTŚ), it still a lot as for such densely populated area.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 11:10 PM   #1478
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There is something like a urban motorway ? So DTS could be too as well, or at least expressway... but no there must something different

So on DTS junctions are closer than on expressways ? Is there in Poland term of urban expressway, I think there is a urban motorway like in Katowice area
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 11:18 PM   #1479
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So on DTS junctions are closer than on expressways ?
Yes, that's why it's not S.

As to urban S/A we don't have them, A4 in Katowice is a motorway just because whole section around it is one.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 12:28 AM   #1480
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Do you guys have some pics of Warsaw expressways?
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