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Old October 12th, 2015, 08:12 PM   #14781
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Road safety statistics for September 2015

September

Number of road accidents

- 2015: 2.938
- 2014: 3.284
- 2013: 3.525


Road fatalities

- 2015: 261
- 2014: 300
- 2013: 317


Number of wounded

- 2015: 3.440
- 2014: 3.954
- 2013: 4.330

January-September

Number of road accidents

- 2015: 24.138
- 2014: 25.746
- 2013: 25.785

Road fatalities

- 2015: 2.064
- 2014: 2.259
- 2013: 2.329


Number of wounded

- 2015: 29.407
- 2014: 31.638
- 2013: 31.964

http://statystyka.policja.pl/st/ruch...esiecznym.html
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Old October 12th, 2015, 08:42 PM   #14782
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I remember that reconstruction. Maybe it was an unlucky day but it took me 4 hours from Piotrkow to Mszczonow, something like average 20kmph.
I'm hoping in Mcarling solution to avoid a similar situation in DK1
The difference is that S8 had no alternative road. DK1/A1 has a parallel alternative road - DK91. So it won't be that bad.

Tenders were launched today for some roads in Western Pomeranian region:

- second carriageway of S10 motorway on section Kobylanka - Stargard: 6,4 km
- DK13 expressway between Szczecin and Kołbaskowo (interchange with A6): 6,5 km
- S3 motorway, section Miękowo - Ostromice: ~22 km
- upgrade of S3/A6 motorway, section Szczecin-Goleniów (including replacing the 80 years old concrete pavement with asphalt, liquidation of the at-grade intersections, realignment and a new interchange in this area, enlargement of the Szczecin-Kijewo interchange and building some ecoducts)
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Old October 12th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #14783
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- DK13 expressway between Szczecin and Kołbaskowo (interchange with A6): 6,5 km
Isn't this the same corridor as S6 is supposed to run through in the (far) future?

Edit: Yes: https://www.gddkia.gov.pl/userfiles/.../DK13%20cv.jpg

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Old October 12th, 2015, 09:21 PM   #14784
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All contracts for missing pieces of S5 in Kujawsko-Pomorskie voivodeship were signed today:
Sec.1 Nowe Marzy – Dworzysko (23,3 km ) - price: 374 722 113,70 zł. company: IMPRESA PIZZAROTTI & C.S.p.A.,
sec. 2 Dworzysko – Aleksandrowo ( 22,4 km) - price: 409 760 779,95 zł. company: IMPRESA PIZZAROTTI & C.S.p.A.
sec. 3 Aleksandrowo – Tryszczyn (14,7 km) - price: 369 000 000 zł. companies: Przedsiębiorstwo Usług Technicznych INTERCOR Sp. z o.o. ( lider), TRAKCJA PRKiI S.A (partner).;
sec. 4 Tryszczyn – Białe Błota ( 13,5 km ) - price: 328 476 590,77 zł. companies: POLAQUA Sp. z o.o. (lider), DRAGADOS S.A. (partner);
sec. 5 Białe Błota – Szubin (9,7 km) - price: 259 926 113,82 zł. company: IMPRESA PIZZAROTTI & C.S.p.A.,
sec. 6 Szubin – Jaroszewo ( 19,3 km ) - price: 351 971 806,20 zł. companies: TRAKCJA PRKiI S.A. (lider), Przedsiębiorstwo Usług Technicznych INTERCOR Sp. z o.o. (partner).;
sec. 7 Jaroszewo – gr. województwa ( 25,1 km ) - price: 421 818 666,51 zł. companies: Przedsiębiorstwo Budowy Dróg i Mostów KOBYLARNIA S.A. ( lider); MIRBUD S.A. ( partner),

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http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/pl/a/20210/...skim-podpisane
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Old October 12th, 2015, 09:31 PM   #14785
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I've read somewhere in polish thread that local people are against rebuilding DK1 in A standard and tolling it and that there was an idea to build it like untolled S-road. Fake news?
I can't imagine how they're going to handle traffic during rebuilding!
I'm not sure why anyone is protesting when it's obvious to everyone that vignettes/road taxes are on their way - there's no way Poland can afford to maintain such a big network without some sort of usage tax on motorways and expressways.

It would be nice if electronic tolling was introduced only on the A-roads, but I'm wondering if the S-roads can escape tolls. But I think a vignette scheme is likely - if they can figure out how to incorporate the private toll roads. Otherwise, electronic tolling seems to be likely
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Old October 12th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #14786
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I remember that reconstruction. Maybe it was an unlucky day but it took me 4 hours from Piotrkow to Mszczonow, something like average 20kmph.
I'm hoping in Mcarling solution to avoid a similar situation in DK1
I don't think I ever needed four hours to get from Piotrkow to Mszczonow, but I do remember four hours between Piotrkow and Warsaw on a number of occasions.

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The difference is that S8 had no alternative road. DK1/A1 has a parallel alternative road - DK91. So it won't be that bad.
While it's true that the DK1/A1 has the DK91 and the DK8/S8 did not have a similar road (DW719 is not as good an alternate route as DK91), I believe the DK1 carries more traffic than the DK8 did at that time, so I'm not at all convinced that a cheap approach to handling traffic during construction of the A1 will not be as bad as during construction of the S8. I fear it could be worse.
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Old October 12th, 2015, 09:44 PM   #14787
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Isn't this the same corridor as S6 is supposed to run through in the (far) future?
Only the section from km 5 to A6.

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It would be nice if electronic tolling was introduced only on the A-roads, but I'm wondering if the S-roads can escape tolls.
Not that nice, because that would be a sort of discrimination. I mean, why do you have to pay when travelling from Wrocław to Katowice, and do not have to pay when travelling from Wrocław to Łódź if the road quality is virtually the same?
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Old October 12th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #14788
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Just some random clickable photos of Warsaw's Al. Jerozolimskie, Wisłostrada / Trasa Armii Krajowej (S8) and Poniatowski Bridge, respectively .







I highly recommend to check the author’s website: http://maciejmargas.pl/
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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:35 AM   #14789
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It would be possible to lay one new A-standard carriageway next to the two existing carriageways of the DK1, then use it temporarily as 2x2 (for example, four 3.5 meter lanes without shoulder separated by a Jersey barrier) while replacing the old carriageways with the second A-standard carriageway. In my opinion, they could safely set the speed limit on the temporary implementation at 100 to 120 kmh.

Sadly, I think it is more likely that the government will try to economize on land acquisition and force all the traffic onto one of the existing carriageways (which I doubt would accommodate four 3.0 meter lanes) in order to build the first A-standard carriageway in place of one of the existing carriageways. In this case, the speed limit on the temporary implementation would have to be 50 to 70 kmh.
I've seen in Canada in similar situations a simple temporary widening of the existing carriageway with some gravel and asphalt on the side for a new lane to keep lane count one one carriageway... doesn't look that expensive.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:53 AM   #14790
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I've seen in Canada in similar situations a simple temporary widening of the existing carriageway with some gravel and asphalt on the side for a new lane to keep lane count one one carriageway... doesn't look that expensive.
How long does that last? Does it survive a summer/winter cycle? Would it be serviceable for three or four years of construction?
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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:58 AM   #14791
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For sure if built solid enough (I imagine depth of gravel and asphalt thickness)
I remember Autoroute 15 north of Montreal (south of A-50)had this kind of treatment when one carriageway was entirely obliterated and replaced with a 4 lane concrete carriageway (which then served traffic while the process was repeated) for a length of ca. 15-20 km
that said it was only in service for approx 1-2 year (how long does it take to dig up the road and redo it?)

I've noticed the shoulder pavement thickness is normally not large and it gets ripped up in short order if used for traffic during a construction staging, at least out here.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 06:57 PM   #14792
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If you mean so called Gierkowka between Warszawa - Piotrkow Trybunalski-Czestochowa and Katowice then it was built in 70's
Yes, I mean Warszawa - Piotrkow Trybunalski - Czestochowa. But when was built in early / middle / late 70's?
I want to draw map of Poland. In every edited map (France, Belarus, Spain older that 1995) do not show dual-carriageways, too. I don't know why.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:13 PM   #14793
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Gierkowka was built between 1973 and 1976. There was more extensions of that road and another dual carriageways built in Upper Silesia. Between Katowice and Bielsko-Biala (today DK86 and DK1) and between Katowice and Wisla (today DK81 and DW941) Also Eastern bypass of GOP (today S1/DK1) - built between 1978 and 1983
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Another major dual carriageways built in 70's and 80's are:
Tricity bypass in north (today S6).
Katowice-Sosnowiec-Olkusz (today S86 and DK94).
Poznan-Wrzesnia (today DK92),
Warszawa-Grojec (today DK7).
So-called Zakopianka fromKrakow to Myslenice and perhaps a bit further (today DK7).
Przemysl - Radymno (today DK77).
Lublin-Piaski (today upgraded to S17/S12).
Warszawa-Zakroczym(?) (today DK7/S7)...
And on the top of that couple of motorway streches. Wrzesnia-Konin (A2), Krakow-Katowice (A4), Piotrkow Trybunalski - Tuszyn (A1)
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Old October 13th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #14795
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Stupid question, but were motorways numbered then?

When was the DK2 section from Świecko to Rzepin built?
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Not that nice, because that would be a sort of discrimination. I mean, why do you have to pay when travelling from Wrocław to Katowice, and do not have to pay when travelling from Wrocław to Łódź if the road quality is virtually the same?
This is why I think vignettes are inevitable on all A and S class roads. But the private concessionaires may present a huge problem - it would be a huge absurdity if vignettes were required for all roads and then extra tolls on top. Having said that, cars don't do much damage to roads, so it's possible that an agreement could be made there.
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Old October 13th, 2015, 11:09 PM   #14797
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Stupid question, but were motorways numbered then?

When was the DK2 section from Świecko to Rzepin built?
1. There is no stupid question to ask I am not 100% sure but as I remember motorways were numbered as International Roads for example today's A2 was at that time just E8 and today's A4 was at that time E22.
2. ? - tough question... It is probably related to existing autobahn on german side and bridge over the Odra river.... so that could mean that it was built before 2WW? Interesting...
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Old October 13th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #14798
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They could triple toll revenue by raising the truck toll to match that of neighboring countries.

According to the Viatoll website, the current toll rate for euro 5 trucks is only 0.27 złoty per kilometer (€ 0.06 per km). That is probably the lowest distance-based truck toll in the European Union.

http://www.viatoll.pl/en/trucks/viat...tem/toll-rates

To compare a euro 5 truck in nearby countries;

* Poland: € 0.06 per km
* Belarus: € 0.15 per km
* Germany: € 0.16 per km
* Czech Republic: € 0.17 per km
* Slovakia: € 0.18 per km
* Hungary: € 0.29 per km
* Austria: € 0.33 per km
* Switzerland: € 0.84 per km

All of these countries charge at least 2.5 times more than Viatoll.
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Old October 14th, 2015, 12:18 AM   #14799
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Nice comparison. We have objections to pay for anything in Poland but in this case it is stupid. There is a lot of trucks from abroad on polish roads. And they pay pennies comparing to other countries...
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Of course one shouldn't forget the possible implications of a raise. Poland has one of the largest transport sectors of Europe, a lot of warehouses, it's investing heavily to develop its ports which are becoming the biggest of the Baltic Sea, ... It's hard to make everything expensive immediately or one could lose some competitiveness.
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