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Old December 17th, 2015, 10:19 AM   #15021
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Only one side is asphalted. The dark stuff is base.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 02:24 PM   #15022
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Why is one side of asphalt darker???
Next you very interested in question

but ok, try to answer: because second side asphalt is soiled or it just isn`t asphalted yet.
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Old December 17th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #15023
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magnificent motorway

I always wonder why they build MOP-y in situations like this... surely there are some stacja paliw / petrol stations and McDonald's in the small village to the side of the picture...
Is there any resistance from smaller centres to construction of bypasses and motorways due to reduced commerce internally from through traffic (as was seen broadly in the USA) or is it just as quiet as it seems? (maybe Poles like to drive so fast they favor the autostrada no matter what
A lot of these exist rather for truck drivers than cars, especially in places closer to the border where local traffic is very light.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 07:31 PM   #15024
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Construction of DTŚ in downtown Gliwice is about to finish. The road should be opened in March 2016.

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Old December 18th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #15025
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How they got to idea to build such a thing in the city center nowadays in XXI century?
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Old December 18th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #15026
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Construction of DTŚ in downtown Gliwice is about to finish. The road should be opened in March 2016.

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Noise barrier on tunell entrance wall Please tell me why?


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Old December 19th, 2015, 12:05 AM   #15027
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How they got to idea to build such a thing in the city center nowadays in XXI century?
Why not? Separating the vehicular traffic from the pedestrian streets is a good thing.

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Noise barrier on tunell entrance wall Please tell me why?[/youtube]
Good question. Maybe to keep cows from falling in? I really don't have a better theory than that. Below grade roads normally cause relatively little noise at grade.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #15028
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How they got to idea to build such a thing in the city center nowadays in XXI century?
The city centre is far away, in Katowice
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Old December 19th, 2015, 01:47 AM   #15029
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Why not? Separating the vehicular traffic from the pedestrian streets is a good thing.
Inner city expressways have well documented negative effects on urban environments. The few that haven't wreaked major damage to cities are the ones that were largely built through adjacent industrial areas and didn't rip up residential neighborhoods.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 02:15 AM   #15030
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Inner city expressways have well documented negative effects on urban environments.
At grade and above grade urban expressways, yes. Tunnelled urban expressways, not that I'm aware. Where is this documentation?
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Old December 19th, 2015, 12:28 PM   #15031
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At grade and above grade urban expressways, yes. Tunnelled urban expressways, not that I'm aware. Where is this documentation?
The problem with Gliwice is that the tunnel is very short. Outside the tunnel section the road looks like this:

It is just a few hundred yards from the strict city centre

It looks bad. really bad. Total priority for cars in planning
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Old December 19th, 2015, 12:32 PM   #15032
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The Gliwice Wall...
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Old December 19th, 2015, 01:23 PM   #15033
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It is just a few hundred yards from the strict city centre

It looks bad. really bad. Total priority for cars in planning
Total priority for sound barriers you mean. That barrier is utterly utterly ridiculous, surely (semi) burying the road would be more sensible than that thing.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 04:48 PM   #15034
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Poland must be dreamland for grafitters. I don't know how popular the grafitti/underground culture is there, but I'd be seriously surprised if all those barriers weren't all painted some months after its installation.

And honestly, I hate grafitti, but I think I'd prefer to live with multiple colour paintings and monumentally-dimensioned rude words written in front of my house rather than a monochromatic wall like that. That's as bad as it gets...
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Old December 19th, 2015, 04:54 PM   #15035
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Why not? Separating the vehicular traffic from the pedestrian streets is a good thing.
Yes. On motorways in the countryside or suburban rings. Not in the city centre.

This route is total nonsense. I still cannot believe it's happening in XXI century. I bet there is no such construction going on anywhere in EU.

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Old December 19th, 2015, 05:32 PM   #15036
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The route would be fine (just about) if they extended the tunnel.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #15037
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I think it won`t happen...
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Old December 19th, 2015, 06:38 PM   #15038
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I'd be seriously surprised if all those barriers weren't all painted some months after its installation.
Yeah, they are already covered with text like "XYZ is a f***er" etc.

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Western bypass of Nowy Sącz was opened today. 6 km long, two roundabouts, several viaducts and bridges. What is out of ordinary is that construction of this road took only 6 months.







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Old December 19th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #15039
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I think it won`t happen...
Of course it won't. Now it's to late and Gliwice are stuck with this shit for decades.

The only hope is changing the noise barriers for some better design once they need replacing in a few years..
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Old December 19th, 2015, 08:19 PM   #15040
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Looking at the highway on Google Maps, I agree it's a bad road. It cuts directly between downtown and the train station, several blocks were lost, and it just ends to the west of town.

It's less a road and more a giant middle finger to the town.
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