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Old December 19th, 2015, 08:31 PM   #15041
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Not that many buildings were demolished, they certainly did not demolish entire rows city blocks, the right-of-way was already vacant before the expressway was built.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #15042
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Less than 10 buildings were demolished + some garages + some shacks on a bazaar and allotments.

And what was there before the road was built? A huge district heating pipeline And even before? Kłodnica Canal.

But I agree that the road was poorly designed, it should be buried or semi-buried in the ground. Especially the section in this area is screwed up.

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Old December 19th, 2015, 10:07 PM   #15043
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Too bad they put those other things, they could have just drained and paved the floor of the canal
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Old December 19th, 2015, 10:46 PM   #15044
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Western bypass of Nowy Sącz was opened today. 6 km long, two roundabouts, several viaducts and bridges. What is out of ordinary is that construction of this road took only 6 months.
What's the exact route of the new bypass? Open Street Map only shows a circa 1.8 km connection across the river.

6 months is really fast because it includes a fairly long bridge across the Dunajec River.

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Old December 19th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #15045
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What's the exact route of the new bypass? Open Street Map only shows a circa 1.8 km connection across the river.
It's this yellow road between DK28 and DW969: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/49.6135/20.6203
(tomorrow it should be also visible on Google Maps)

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6 months is really fast because it includes a fairly long bridge across the Dunajec River.
No, it was a different project. Construction of that road took 1.5 year. It was opened in August 2015.

There is one missing link between these two sections; but it will be built before 2020.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 10:57 PM   #15046
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Ah right, I already found it remarkable that they would be able to build such a large bridge in six months

Is the new bypass planned to be part of a droga krajowa? Maybe DK87?
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Old December 20th, 2015, 12:06 AM   #15047
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Less than 10 buildings were demolished + some garages + some shacks on a bazaar and allotments.

And what was there before the road was built? A huge district heating pipeline And even before? Kłodnica Canal.

But I agree that the road was poorly designed, it should be buried or semi-buried in the ground. Especially the section in this area is screwed up.
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Too bad they put those other things, they could have just drained and paved the floor of the canal
It is designed by someone with mentality stuck in the 70s. At the very latest.

Yes, the area wasn't perfect but instead of trying to improve it they decided tu effectively build a surface freeway with ugly sound barriers just meters from housing.

I normally support road building but someone who designed this monstrosity should be banned from the profession.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 01:36 AM   #15048
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The road should have been underground with a park above.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 06:27 AM   #15049
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The road might have been better as a surface boulevard with an alameda (wide median park). I'm not seeing the benefits of a limited-access road of any sort along this corridor, especially once you hit the city.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 06:46 AM   #15050
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I dunno, it seems a nice shortcut to have that connection from DTS to DK88, and a high-class route through the city (DK 88 and A4 are too far away)
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Old December 20th, 2015, 12:03 PM   #15051
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They should have extended the tunnel further east, by at least a kilometer. That doesn't seem too impossible given that over half of that is already blow grade. Although you could argue that it would've been better to build just a spur into Gliwice and reroute through traffic via A1 and DK88 along the north side of the city.

The noise barrier along Ulica Franciszkańska is just ridiculous, you generally don't see such horrible things elsewhere... (outside of Poland)
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Old December 20th, 2015, 12:20 PM   #15052
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They did the same to Katowice and simply cut the city. This route was badly planned from the beginning. I honestly don't know background of DTŚ but t least the newest section should continue the southern corridor or follow current DK88 path on the north side.

The tunnel buried in the ground was not a solution certainly due to costs.

This is an elementary example of worsen life quality.

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Old December 20th, 2015, 12:35 PM   #15053
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They should have extended the tunnel further east, by at least a kilometer. That doesn't seem too impossible given that over half of that is already blow grade. Although you could argue that it would've been better to build just a spur into Gliwice and reroute through traffic via A1 and DK88 along the north side of the city.
Initially it was planned that this road will form southern ring around the City:

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But city Mayor stuck firmly in 1960ties decided that this road must go directly through City centre as Gliwice is a "motor city" and the Opel factory is the most important. The same Mayor despite public opposition closed fairly decently functioning trams in that city and ordered designing bridges which can't be upgraded to put there tram tracks so don't expect any modern urban thinking in Gliwice. And to those thinking that this is "high class route" well it isn't. It features two roundabouts, lacks of hard shoulders and adjoining lanes go straight into main lane - all this to cut construction costs. Initially this section with noise barriers was planned to be in tunnel but this was also slashed as a cost measure. Hopefully when citizens will see that, eventually will drive city authorities out of their posts although till now were standing firm with them.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 01:20 PM   #15054
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Initially it was planned that this road will form southern ring around the City:

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The southern ring around the city will be built in the near future
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They did the same to Katowice and simply cut the city. This route was badly planned from the beginning. I honestly don't know background of DTŚ but t least the newest section should continue the southern corridor or follow current DK88 path on the north side.

The tunnel buried in the ground was not a solution certainly due to costs.

This is an elementary example of worsen life quality.

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That is so Poland . They built a "Berlin wall" between themselves !

Just because the law says you to with completely retarted and stupid bureaucrats on the top...and generous bribes this sound wall company has been generously distributing for years . Third World in its splendour
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Old December 20th, 2015, 03:01 PM   #15056
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The southern ring around the city will be built in the near future
so I further don't ask why this utter appalling destruction of an urban structure in city centre took place when there are much better and probably cheaper to implement plans
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Old December 20th, 2015, 04:32 PM   #15057
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It is designed by someone with mentality stuck in the 70s. At the very latest.

Yes, the area wasn't perfect but instead of trying to improve it they decided tu effectively build a surface freeway with ugly sound barriers just meters from housing.

I normally support road building but someone who designed this monstrosity should be banned from the profession.
Problem is that in Poland there are many on-going U/C and planned urban expressways or totally excessive road construction in the very downtown of major and smaller cities, just like this one > look per example at the new city centre of Łódź, it's a complete absurdity .

I wonder how can EU finance such ridicoulous, gigantic new roads inside downtowns, very costly, totally unnecessary, life-worsening, extremely noisy, creating huge polution inside cities projects ?
...And instead of building proper ring roads/expressways or bypasses to divert traffic and transit from the centre .
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Old December 20th, 2015, 05:27 PM   #15058
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ridicoulous, gigantic new roads inside downtowns, very costly, totally unnecessary, life-worsening, extremely noisy, creating huge polution inside cities projects ?
Okay... you seem frustrated?
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Old December 20th, 2015, 05:41 PM   #15059
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When I see such monstrosity, it makes me feel somehow angry and deceived for so called "progress", which it isn't
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Old December 20th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #15060
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There was an old and rusty canal, that had been quite nice before.


source: www.gkw.pl

Maybe the DTŚ is just a part of huge plan to follow the dutch way: first you make a canal, then put a road (1945-1970) and finally resotre canal for public space
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