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Old January 8th, 2016, 09:40 AM   #15101
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Woah!! the Polish Highways thread comes back to life
I am not sure if this was mentioned but Warsaw's southern bypass will be completed by 2020. Huge part of it will be in an underground tunnel.
LINK TO A MAP OF HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION/COMPLETION/TENDERS and what to expect (last updated on Jan. 3rd) is below:

http://ssc.siskom.waw.pl/

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Old January 8th, 2016, 09:58 AM   #15102
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It's because there's a massive protected old forest to the north of Białystok
It might actually change though. The current moron they put in charge of environmental affairs actually believes in chemtrails and was the one who wanted to pave Rospuda in the first place...
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Old January 8th, 2016, 11:38 AM   #15103
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Not of A2 but S2, howevrr, missing link of E30. Strange, GDDKiA updated nothing on it. Use viacom. Btw, DSU for S19 in that hook around Bialystok and S12 Lublin-Dorohusk were given out on Jan 3.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 11:40 AM   #15104
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Will the A2 go around Warsaw or will there be a gap?
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Old January 8th, 2016, 11:55 AM   #15105
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It won't go around and there won't be a gap; it's just a prefix, because let's be honest - this is a proper motorway:

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Old January 8th, 2016, 12:21 PM   #15106
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Will the A2 go around Warsaw or will there be a gap?
There is tender for A2 b/n east end of S2 and A2 as Minsk Mazowiecki bypass.

Take a look on the map, where:
green - in a tender
red - u/c
black - in use
light blue - planned till 2023 (some till 2025-27)
yellow-planned as an investment carried out by a special purpose road company
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Old January 8th, 2016, 03:22 PM   #15107
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How about that grey line between Torun and S8. Is this new alignment for S 10? It would make much more sense than that blue line above.

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Old January 8th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #15108
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As far as I remember those had smth to do with the changes of the system in October. That grey line is what will be built according to the new plans
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Old January 8th, 2016, 03:51 PM   #15109
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That grey line shows the beginnings of a high grade outer bypass of Warsaw too (from S7-S8) where the current bypass plans are inside the city.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 05:20 PM   #15110
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IMO however that the change of the route delays everything on S10 for about a year plus means some attempts to make DSU had gone in vain, so they lost a couple million zlotych
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Old January 8th, 2016, 05:25 PM   #15111
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the map, where:
green - in a tender
red - u/c
black - in use
light blue - planned till 2023 (some till 2025-27)
yellow-planned as an investment carried out by a special purpose road company
Isn't that marking strange, I mean black for motorways in use and green for tendered?
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Old January 8th, 2016, 05:30 PM   #15112
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I think, it`s not problem for others.... It`s "standard" colours marking used by the GDDKiA.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:24 PM   #15113
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It won't go around and there won't be a gap; it's just a prefix, because let's be honest - this is a proper motorway:
Call it a hunch, but when the current government inevitably brings in tolls on all expressways, then we'll see a mass renumbering from S to A to justify the tolls. Something like - "look, we have x amount of new motorways, so they must be tolled too!".
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Old January 8th, 2016, 06:44 PM   #15114
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I think, it`s not problem for others.... It`s "standard" colours marking used by the GDDKiA.
Standard colouring is: green - completed, yellow - in realization, orange-tender, red-preparation in progress or has DSU. That must be some absolutely other site as the A1 is shown as black, not green
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The new route for the S10 is a much better route. In my opinion, the improvement is worth a one year delay and extra cost of about one million euro. The fuel savings alone from the reduced distance will be more than one million euro per year.

From an environmental perspective, the huge S19 detour north of Bialystok is stupid. The additional pollution resulting from the added construction and added driving distances is terrible. It would have been a better much plan to take a straight path through the forrest and build as many eco-passages as needed for the fauna to move back and forth safely.
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Is there an actual need for S19 north of Białystok?
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Standard colouring is: green - completed, yellow - in realization, orange-tender, red-preparation in progress or has DSU. That must be some absolutely other site as the A1 is shown as black, not green
Where is description of this standard? Is it some kind of legal record, or it`s your own standard ?
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Old January 8th, 2016, 09:55 PM   #15118
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IMO however that the change of the route delays everything on S10 for about a year plus means some attempts to make DSU had gone in vain, so they lost a couple million zlotych
Nobody lost anything, because no any decision has been made. There is no DŚU nor KP...etc... just nothing except line on so called "map" of GDDKiA.
So calm down and do not hit yourself on the head with a hammer so much...

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Standard colouring is: green - completed, yellow - in realization, orange-tender, red-preparation in progress or has DSU. That must be some absolutely other site as the A1 is shown as black, not green

Sometimes it's better say nothing when others think you`re a fool than speak out and dispel any doubts...

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The new route for the S10 is a much better route. In my opinion, the improvement is worth a one year delay and extra cost of about one million euro. The fuel savings alone from the reduced distance will be more than one million euro per year.
I think the best decision is to bring this road to Płock, but nobody knows even the approximate course of this road
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Old January 8th, 2016, 09:58 PM   #15119
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Call it a hunch, but when the current government inevitably brings in tolls on all expressways, then we'll see a mass renumbering from S to A to justify the tolls. Something like - "look, we have x amount of new motorways, so they must be tolled too!".
There's no telling if the current government will do it, but I believe it's just a matter of time, regardless of the ruling party.

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From an environmental perspective, the huge S19 detour north of Bialystok is stupid. The additional pollution resulting from the added construction and added driving distances is terrible. It would have been a better much plan to take a straight path through the forrest and build as many eco-passages as needed for the fauna to move back and forth safely.
Amen to that.

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Is there an actual need for S19 north of Białystok?
Towards Belarus? Not really, athough Białystok could use a bypass (obviously other than recently proposed). An expressway going strictly north of the city - as a part of Via Carpatia - would make better sense if it wasn't for the S61 corridor. Therefore I'd say that there isn't an actual need for S19 north of Białystok right now.
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The new route for the S10 is a much better route. In my opinion, the improvement is worth a one year delay and extra cost of about one million euro. The fuel savings alone from the reduced distance will be more than one million euro per year.
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No mention that it will also serve bigger number of people - Wloclawek and Plock vs much smaller towns.

IMHO there was too much rush and too little thinking to build S7 from Warsaw to Gdansk along old alignment. It would clearly be better if new S7 got closer to cities of Ciechanow and Olsztyn. It would cost probably more to build it but in exchange there would be no needs to build S51 from Ostroda to Olsztyn. I was thinking about this kind of solution:

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