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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:26 AM   #15281
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Thread title - [PL] Poland | road infrastructure, not [PL] Poland | Politics,

Zero politics !!!
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Old February 29th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #15282
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Then we shouldn't even discuss the government's plans regarding the motorway network and construction plan, because it is politics.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #15283
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Environmental decisions have been issued for:
  • S12 from Piotrków Trybunalski (A1) to Mazowieckie (Masovian) Voivodeship's border
  • S74 from Sulejów (S12) to Świętokrzyskie (Holy Cross) Voivodeship's border


purely demonstrational, based on a well-known map

S12 map / S74 map (rather large PDF files)

S12 will follow the gray path (W6) and S74 will follow the orange path (W4) up until 18th kilometer where it will switch to the green path (W5), following Żarnów interchange.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #15284
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purely demonstrational, based on a well-known map
Here's the "official" version

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Old February 29th, 2016, 10:43 PM   #15285
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Thank goodness you’ve provided us with something less dreadful .
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Old February 29th, 2016, 10:49 PM   #15286
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Are there estimated construction periods for the mentioned S12 (61km) and S74 (24km) sections? I think they are not funded by the 2014-20 investment program, are they?
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Old February 29th, 2016, 11:04 PM   #15287
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The program says:
  • S74 Sulejów - Kielce 2019 - 2023 72.7 km
  • S12 Piotrków Trybunalski - Radom 2019 - 2023 103,5 km

But I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #15288
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From Polish forum:
Progress on S7 between Gdansk and Elblag. Flattest area in Poland. (Some parts are below sea level).

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Old March 1st, 2016, 12:13 AM   #15289
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The route for the northernmost section of the S74 doesn't seem to make much sense. Could they not have intersected the S12 at Sulejów?
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Old March 1st, 2016, 12:49 AM   #15290
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It makes more sense if you consider that it may be extended via Tomaszów Mazowiecki to the A1/S8 intrechange near Łódź which is already prepared for this:

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I imagined that intersection was prepared go more in the direction of Warsaw (or perhaps Radom) than toward Kielce.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 03:22 PM   #15292
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I think they should extend S8 to Tomaszów Mazowiecki. The current situation of making a U-turn at the cloverleaf near Piotrków Trybunalski is not really how major traffic flows between some of the largest cities should go. Of course you can take A2, but I think the S8 will be much more popular once A2 gets tolled between Łódź and Warszawa.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 07:35 PM   #15293
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Nothing is for certain where tolls are concerned in Poland. The latest murmurings from the Ministry suggest that they are looking at increasing excise taxes on fuel combined with creating electronic tolling for cars.

I think we're almost certainly going to see some degree of tolling on the expressways - it's just a question of what and where. I can't see Warsaw-Wrocław/Gdańsk surviving as toll free.
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I think they should extend S8 to Tomaszów Mazowiecki. The current situation of making a U-turn at the cloverleaf near Piotrków Trybunalski is not really how major traffic flows between some of the largest cities should go. Of course you can take A2, but I think the S8 will be much more popular once A2 gets tolled between Łódź and Warszawa.
... or just extend S12 from Wielun towards Piotrkow Trybunalski (old version of S8). That way Lublin, Radom and Piotrkow would be connected with Wroclaw.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 09:08 PM   #15295
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That would add about 80 - 90 kilometers of new expressway.

The most cost-effective option of course is to add ramps to the A1/S8 interchange at Piotrków Trybunalski.
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I think sooner or later both will be needed and will be built - extension of S8 from A1 and extension of S12 between Piotrkow and Wielun...
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I think they should extend S8 to Tomaszów Mazowiecki.
... or to Rawa Mazowiecka.
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Old March 2nd, 2016, 12:00 AM   #15298
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Nothing is for certain where tolls are concerned in Poland. The latest murmurings from the Ministry suggest that they are looking at increasing excise taxes on fuel combined with creating electronic tolling for cars.

I think we're almost certainly going to see some degree of tolling on the expressways - it's just a question of what and where. I can't see Warsaw-Wrocław/Gdańsk surviving as toll free.
I hope they will introduce vignette - for A and S roads - like in Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Switzerland and in many others countries. Tolling the expressways alone is just an extremely stupid idea otherwise . Of course, having a free Autobahn network like in Germany is a dream...
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Old March 2nd, 2016, 12:08 AM   #15299
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Then we shouldn't even discuss the government's plans regarding the motorway network and construction plan, because it is politics.
No, it's policies.
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