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Old March 7th, 2016, 10:58 PM   #15341
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No, it's statistics.
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Old March 8th, 2016, 01:13 AM   #15342
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WTF is happening on this forum? Where do these trolls suddenly come from?
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Old March 8th, 2016, 01:22 AM   #15343
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Yes, one comment made as a joke totally makes me a troll.
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Old March 8th, 2016, 01:25 AM   #15344
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Not youngsters only
40% of RJA or RP or RLU or RPR or RPZ cars is such trash made in 1980s-1990s bought by Ukrainians for grosze(comparing with Ukraine). I also saw a rusty Zhyguli from Krakow. And there are still lots of that small **** like Polonaise riding on the roads. Unfortunately it is not precisely controlled
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No, not at all . The fact that drivers under 25 pay 150% to 250% more for insurance is just injustice, right?

No, it's statistics.
Young drivers of under 25 are over-represented in road accidents, and were responsible for a THIRD of all road fatalities in 2013, in Poland .

http://superauto24.se.pl/moto-news/m...ia_391269.html

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I'm not saying that Poland has one of the safest roads in Europe. I agree that we have still quite a way to go. Personally I feel much safer driving in the UK or Ireland than I do in Poland and when I am a pedestrian (which means most of the time) I think the distance is even greater.
But, it doesn't change the fact that things are improving and Poland is heading in the right direction. Give it a bit of credit.
A lot more could have been done for road safety, but almost only "soft" measures were undertaken.
Though, it is not surprising that Poland is still on the leading part of road fatalities in EU .
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Old March 8th, 2016, 01:37 AM   #15345
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what does it really mean though? if fatalities were half as many through EU Poland would still be worse than EU average, is it a good thing or not?

And without standardizing for passenger-km it is kind of meaningless. Maybe Poles drive a lot and British don't (to be honest, the large London population in the Tube or crawling at 10 mph vs. spread-out Polish population driving everywhere probably has a large effect)
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Old March 8th, 2016, 11:18 AM   #15346
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Old March 8th, 2016, 11:14 PM   #15347
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Last works and tests before opening tunnel in Gdansk:
more pics and info: http://www.gik.gda.pl/22/news,628/ak...ela_prace.html

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Old March 9th, 2016, 08:49 PM   #15348
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The earliest possible opening date is 1st May.
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Slightly overdue.... nevertheless it is coming soon...
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Old March 10th, 2016, 10:20 AM   #15350
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Tunnels like Gdansks get handed to local firemen for training purposes normally, and when the training and emergency plans are finished then they open to the public.
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Old March 10th, 2016, 10:30 AM   #15351
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Tunnels like Gdansks get handed to local firemen for training purposes normally, and when the training and emergency plans are finished then they open to the public.
Open to traffic ?

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Old March 10th, 2016, 12:30 PM   #15352
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Yes. Public traffic. After the fire and evacuation plans are tested and finalised
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Old March 10th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #15353
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Changing S roads to A roads?

I was wondering whether Poland has any plan to change the designation of S roads into A roads like The Czech Republic changing R roads into A roads by 1st of January 2016?

Allmost all S roads in Poland has a very high standard - 2x2, access controlled, barrier in the median and hard shoulders - a standard that in most other countries would qualify as a motorway, however they are signed as S roads/expressroads. As a road user, especially without local knowledge, it can be a bit confusing why they are not signed as motorways (A roads), and I was wondering what the rationale behind S and A roads, and whether there is any plan to streamline the system?
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Old March 10th, 2016, 03:06 PM   #15354
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The expressways are toll free , the motorways are tolled for cars. This is main difference.
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I was wondering whether Poland has any plan to change the designation of S roads into A roads like The Czech Republic changing R roads into A roads by 1st of January 2016?

Allmost all S roads in Poland has a very high standard - 2x2, access controlled, barrier in the median and hard shoulders - a standard that in most other countries would qualify as a motorway, however they are signed as S roads/expressroads. As a road user, especially without local knowledge, it can be a bit confusing why they are not signed as motorways (A roads), and I was wondering what the rationale behind S and A roads, and whether there is any plan to streamline the system?
There is no such a plan. It requires f.e. change all signs what is very expensive, but what`s the most important it requires change of polish regulation. According to current regulations S-roads do not meet motorway standards.
I don`t see any need of changing. Never mind how we call some road, most important is its quality and safety of using.
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I was wondering whether Poland has any plan to change the designation of S roads into A roads like The Czech Republic changing R roads into A roads by 1st of January 2016?
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Allmost all S roads in Poland has a very high standard - 2x2, access controlled, barrier in the median and hard shoulders - a standard that in most other countries would qualify as a motorway, however they are signed as S roads/expressroads. As a road user, especially without local knowledge, it can be a bit confusing why they are not signed as motorways (A roads)
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The expressways are toll free , the motorways are tolled for cars. This is main difference.
This is not written anywhere in the law, also a lot of A roads are toll free.

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There is no such a plan. It requires f.e. change all signs what is very expensive, but what`s the most important it requires change of polish regulation.
The signage will be changed anyway, so this is not an issue.

Change of regulation? What's the big deal - you can now write law in one night, and have it signed by the president in the morning...
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Old March 10th, 2016, 06:08 PM   #15357
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I think the main issue is that signs showing S roads are not blue like A signs so it can be confusing for foreigners if they are looking just for a double lane roads (not all S roads are double lane but significant majority).
S signs should be blue as well to distinguish them from all other types of roads.
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Old March 11th, 2016, 12:14 AM   #15358
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The signage will be changed anyway, so this is not an issue.
Yeah, but it takes tens of years!

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Change of regulation? What's the big deal - you can now write law in one night, and have it signed by the president in the morning...
I would not use this as an argument, because it is scary! In this way, there should not make a law!
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Old March 11th, 2016, 09:18 AM   #15359
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Just be happy of the signage it is now. Anyway, that doesn't make much difference if they change S to A. It doesn't go through villages where you have to creep like 40-50 km/h - say thanks you needn't do it on expressway.
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