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Old March 11th, 2016, 04:45 PM   #15361
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That 3 stripe concrete surface makes it looks like all A1 around Lodz is 2X3 but is not
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Old March 12th, 2016, 02:35 AM   #15362
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Poles know how to drive 3 across on 1x2 surely they can figure this one out
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Old March 12th, 2016, 07:33 PM   #15363
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> Rationale behind A and S roads

There is none.
There is, but very, very little. S roads are mostly older, communist-build double carriageways that were upgraded 99% on the same paths, which sometimes aren't up to motorway (A) standards. That 1% or 2% is the reason used.

However, I have seen worse Autobahns in Germany than those S roads.
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Old March 13th, 2016, 10:30 AM   #15364
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No, the Polish S-roads are mostly built in new path. The old carriageways exist and they are parrallel to the new roads.
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Old March 13th, 2016, 08:01 PM   #15365
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No, the Polish S-roads are mostly built in new path. The old carriageways exist and they are parrallel to the new roads.
Source to your claim? S11 was built 100% along old path. S3 mostly as well. Not sure about S8.
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Old March 13th, 2016, 08:12 PM   #15366
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S11 was built along old pas at ~15km - section Poznań - Kurnik..... S3 is constructed in the new path at all route. Only S8 Piotrków Trybunalski-Warszawa was constructed in old path, it`s only a few percent of expressways in Poland.
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Old March 13th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #15367
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Some S roads were built in the corridor of the old DK road but mostly on a different route/alignment!
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Old March 13th, 2016, 11:42 PM   #15368
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About the S11 Poznań-Kórnik - when was it built? I mean - was the 2x2 road there for years and then the S11 built on top of it, or what?

As for the S5, it's also mostly a new build, and the new S11 bypasses are new as well.

But the differences are sometimes striking at junctions between A and S. For instance, the junctions on the S11 Poznań Western Bypass have been done on the cheap. Even the busiest one (S11/DK92) has been done pretty cheaply, and the less we talk about the dreadful A2/S11/(future S5) junction, the better.
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Old March 13th, 2016, 11:48 PM   #15369
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still, compared to the 1930's "110-brak pasa awaryjnego" A4 exits and onramps they are decent
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A village Stare Babki was completely demolished because S7 motorway was routed through it:

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Old March 14th, 2016, 02:58 AM   #15371
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strange, why not just build the 2nd carriageway to left instead of through the houses?
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Old March 14th, 2016, 01:00 PM   #15372
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strange, why not just build the 2nd carriageway to left instead of through the houses?
Right, how could we skip this option during all these years of preparation time?

What you are proposing is building the bypass (obwodnica) of Stare Babki. You can't build just one carriageway outside, because the exits from all those houses would have to lead right to the second carriageway, what is not acceptable. There would have to be a bypass and a junction to connect the old DK7 serving the houses. That would have cost a lot more, than simply buy and demolish these few houses.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 01:35 PM   #15373
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S11 was built along old pas at ~15km - section Poznań - Kurnik..... S3 is constructed in the new path at all route. Only S8 Piotrków Trybunalski-Warszawa was constructed in old path, it`s only a few percent of expressways in Poland.
Not that few. Almost all S17,S7 and S8 from Warsaw to Bialystok beside city and towns bypasses go along old alignment. The same with S5 from Poznan to Grudziadz and from Poznan to Wroclaw. The only built from scratch expressways are most of S3 from Szczecin to A2 and S8 from Wroclaw to Lodz (soon A1)
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It only had a population of 30, but it's uncommon to see a village disappear entirely for a road project.

On the other hand, dams, ports and industrial areas sometimes wiped villages off the map as well.
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It only had a population of 30, but it's uncommon to see a village disappear entirely for a road project.
But that's not true. Look at this map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/54.2400/19.0261

There is Stare-Babki-by-the-road and Stare-Babki-further-from-the-road. Only this by-the-road part is demolished, so only half of the village disappears.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 06:19 PM   #15376
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Ah, Google Earth calls that locality further from the road 'Zadwórze'. But Polish Wikipedia says the only placename like that in Poland is in the far southeast.
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Ah, Google Earth calls that locality further from the road 'Zadwórze'. But Polish Wikipedia says the only placename like that in Poland is in the far southeast.
Maybe Google Earth is outsourced by Apple Maps

From this map: https://mapa.targeo.pl/19.0266957,54.2402408,19
it appears that demolished are properties 1 till 8. It is possible that property 9 remains. Someone can prove/disprove that?

EDIT: From this picture http://s16.postimg.org/bz8gk3r05/CAM02269.jpg it appears that property Stare Babki 9 is the one behind Stare Babki/60 sign and that Caterpillar machine, whereas property 10 would be the one to the right. So only numbers 1 till 8 were demolished.
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Old March 15th, 2016, 01:24 AM   #15378
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But that's not true. Look at this map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/54.2400/19.0261

There is Stare-Babki-by-the-road and Stare-Babki-further-from-the-road. Only this by-the-road part is demolished, so only half of the village disappears.
It would have been really amusing if the hamlet was called Stare Babki-nad-DK7

there seems to be ability to have bypassed it though and just let it connect by other local roads, like the road to "further from the road Babki" and then go that way...
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Old March 15th, 2016, 04:24 PM   #15379
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S19 Lublin West bypass:



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Old March 15th, 2016, 06:09 PM   #15380
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Construction permit was issued for Kłodzko bypass on the route Wrocław - Brno (CZ). It should be completed in December 2017.



Intersection with DK8:
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