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Old June 18th, 2016, 07:03 AM   #15641
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S46 Klodzko-Kielce will be built sooner or later. The problem is how Kłodzko will be connected to Czech roads system; the current westwards path of DK8 does not allow the further development of S-type road even if the terrain is not very difficult both on Polish as well as on Czech side. So one logical solution is to go southwards from Klodzko but the terrain is very difficult on Czech side.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 07:17 AM   #15642
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the current westwards path of DK8 does not allow the further development of S-type road even if the terrain is not very difficult both on Polish as well as on Czech side.
What exactly do you mean? Do you mean that the acquisition of property would be necessary to extend the future S46 westward from Kłodzko?
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Old June 18th, 2016, 12:17 PM   #15643
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Look at map of Kłodzko, Duszniki and Kudowa' area at www.obszary.natura2000.pl It would be difficult to build expressroad there.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #15644
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The S46, if built, would lie along the Prague - Kiev axis and would probably become part of the preferred route for Prague - Kiev traffic.
If it lies along a straight line it does not mean that it is best. We would have to wait for S46 for years to come, and, anyway, there is A1 for that. At least it is not tolled yet(A4 is).
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That suggests the possibility a further eastward extension of the S46 to Lublin, which would ease possible future congestion on the S7 and S12 by bypassing Radom.
http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/userfiles/a...2015_DK_DW.pdf
Looking at the map, we can't say it is all that bad near Radom. It looks fine with the S46 to Kraśnik, but there is no urgent need at all. As the AADT of the S7/S12 section is av. 17500, and that proposed S46 section only 8000, there is little sense. However, S74 will be built halfway through, which means the expressway will be built through Opatów to Nisko.
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By the time the S46 would be built between Klodzko and Częstochowa, Ukraine might be well along the path of accession to the EU.
Time will show us. For the moment being, the last promise for the Ukraine was that Ukraine won't yet access EU for decades. If they do, however, gigabytes of praise from Ukrainians will come onto this forum.


BTW, according to the link of the road traffic I mentioned, I see that at least 4 expressways should be constructed:
1) Wrocław - Wałbrzych - S3(S35)
2)Brzesko-Nw. Sącz-Muszynka/Piwniczna(not obligatory)(S75)
3)Tarnów-Kielce(S73)
4)Medyka - Przemyśl - Radymno - Jarosław - A4(S77 with the possible contination towards Leżajsk and Nisko; maybe S74(continuation), then).

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Look at map of Kłodzko, Duszniki and Kudowa' area at www.obszary.natura2000.pl It would be difficult to build expressroad there.
We have the same situation as with A18. No doubts, tunnels will be needed, as well as a lot of animal bridges and forests cut. Still it is possible. However, Czechs have similar problems here

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Old June 18th, 2016, 03:57 PM   #15645
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S7 Radom – voivodeships’ border is taking shape - now visible on Google Earth imagery from March.













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Old June 18th, 2016, 09:18 PM   #15646
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Wildlife crossing on S3:









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Old June 18th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #15647
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DW719 in Warsaw - transverse launching of 4200 ton viaduct (moving by 120 metres in 1,5 h) (timelapse)

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Old June 18th, 2016, 11:06 PM   #15648
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Look at map of Kłodzko, Duszniki and Kudowa' area at www.obszary.natura2000.pl It would be difficult to build expressroad there.
It seems to me that a tunnel about 2km long somewhere between Duszniki-Zdrój and Olešnice v Orlických hotách would provide a nice reasonably direct route going south of the main part of the nature sanctuary.

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If it lies along a straight line it does not mean that it is best.
True but a nearly straight line route is an advantage. Sometimes there are other factors that overcome the advantage of a shorter route. The common mistake is to give up the long-term advantages of a shorter route for the short-term advantages of a circuitous route.

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We would have to wait for S46 for years to come, and, anyway, there is A1 for that. At least it is not tolled yet(A4 is).
I think we'll have to wait decades for any extensions of the S46 west of Klodzko or east of Kielce. The A1 is well out of the way for Prague-Kiev; the A4 is a better choice. The biggest improvement to Prague-Kiev would come from a better connection between Hradec Kralove and the A4 near Opole or Katowice.

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Looking at the map, we can't say it is all that bad near Radom. It looks fine with the S46 to Kraśnik, but there is no urgent need at all.
I agree that the need for extensions to the S46 is not urgent. I would not expect them to be built before the 2030s.

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BTW, according to the link of the road traffic I mentioned, I see that at least 4 expressways should be constructed:
1) Wrocław - Wałbrzych - S3(S35)
2)Brzesko-Nw. Sącz-Muszynka/Piwniczna(not obligatory)(S75)
3)Tarnów-Kielce(S73)
4)Medyka - Przemyśl - Radymno - Jarosław - A4(S77 with the possible contination towards Leżajsk and Nisko; maybe S74(continuation), then).

How do you like it?
Your S35 proposal would be great for Warsaw-Prague traffic. I don't have an opinion about your proposals for S75 or S73. I think your S74 idea might make sense between Przemyśl and the A4 but perhaps not to Medyka.

I think someday an S9 will be needed between Radom and Rzeszow. In the medium term, traffic will go via Lublin using the S17 and S19 but, when they become congested, an S9 would be a good solution.
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Old June 19th, 2016, 03:39 PM   #15649
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Construction of S5 near Wrocław seen from the aircraft.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #15650
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Great photo of S7 at Ostróda (by GDDKiA)
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Old June 20th, 2016, 03:37 PM   #15651
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Massive-looking interchange planned here?
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Old June 20th, 2016, 03:58 PM   #15652
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Inche. b/n S7 & S5

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Old June 21st, 2016, 01:12 AM   #15653
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S19 Western Lublin bypass, pulling first part of railway viaduct over road:



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Old June 22nd, 2016, 06:52 PM   #15654
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Are there any plans to continue afterwards with a highway or expressway towards Ukraine border and Lvov?
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 07:55 PM   #15655
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Yes, but not soon.

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 08:44 PM   #15656
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Are there any plans to continue afterwards with a highway or expressway towards Ukraine border and Lvov?
Yes there a plans to build expressways S12 from Piaski to Dorohusk (border with UA/direction Kiev) and S17 from Piaski to Hrebenne (border with UA/direction Lviw). Both roads have environmental decisions, but they will be realized after 2020...
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:40 PM   #15657
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News from Polish thread:

A1 Łódź eastern bypass may open 1st July 2016 (much earlier than expected and ahead of schedule)
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Old June 24th, 2016, 01:20 PM   #15658
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News from Polish thread:

A1 Łódź eastern bypass may open 1st July 2016 (much earlier than expected and ahead of schedule)
What total lenght it will be?
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What total lenght it will be?

40km
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Old June 24th, 2016, 02:31 PM   #15660
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The new stretch of A1 does not seem to have toll gates on interchanges. At least it looks like that when i look at google earth imagery. Where the gates just not built when the imagery was taken or does it really not have any?
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