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Old June 24th, 2016, 02:47 PM   #15661
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The new stretch of A1 does not seem to have toll gates on interchanges. At least it looks like that when i look at google earth imagery. Where the gates just not built when the imagery was taken or does it really not have any?
For now it may be toll-free which would explain why toll gates may not have been built at interchanges. Because it is a city bypass (like A2 is of Poznan) it may remain toll free. There may be plans in the future to toll this stretch of A1
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Old June 24th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #15662
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I understand that. but a bit further north the A1 is built with toll gates from Strykow to Torun. this part of A1 is not tolled either, yet they built the infrastructure in order to be ready in case it was decided that tolls should be collected. I guess whether or not they build the infrastructure can be taken as a sign of the likelihood of introduction of tolling via booths in the future, but as expericence with the A1 shows even if they build the booths they may still not introduce tolling.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 03:46 PM   #15663
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Around 2013 a decision was made to abandon the toll booth system and develop an electronic system in the future. A1 was originaly meant to have toll gates, but it was redesigned during construction and the toll booths were not built.
This section, however, was completed before the decision was made: https://www.google.pl/maps/@51.64400.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old June 24th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #15664
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Around 2013 a decision was made to abandon the toll booth system and develop an electronic system in the future. A1 was originaly meant to have toll gates, but it was redesigned during construction and the toll booths were not built.
This section, however, was completed before the decision was made: https://www.google.pl/maps/@51.64400.../data=!3m1!1e3
I think A1 from Stryków to Tuszyn should remain toll free because like the A2 south of Poznań it acts as a city bypass road (for Łódź)
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Old June 24th, 2016, 03:53 PM   #15665
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What is the reason that Warsaw and Krakov won't be connected directly by a motorway?
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Old June 24th, 2016, 04:28 PM   #15666
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What is the reason that Warsaw and Krakov won't be connected directly by a motorway?
When completed, S7 should be sufficient for now. Perhaps higher traffic densities may call for a full motorway upgrade in the future
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Old June 24th, 2016, 04:40 PM   #15667
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When completed, S7 should be sufficient for now. Perhaps higher traffic densities may call for a full motorway upgrade in the future
OK but after all we are talking about the two largest cities in Poland with huge importance to the country both economic and cultural. Further south is also Zakopane as an attractive tourist destination.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 04:52 PM   #15668
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S7 is a motorway. Look:

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Old June 24th, 2016, 04:58 PM   #15669
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Large stretches of DK7 between Warsaw and Kraków are being upgraded to expressway standard right now with a lot of construction going on

S7 may become A7 in the future but EU funding is a consideration
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Old June 24th, 2016, 05:29 PM   #15670
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S7 may become A7 in the future but EU funding is a consideration
???
It would be just a change in naming, just like in the Czech Republic.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 05:38 PM   #15671
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It would be just a change in naming, just like in the Czech Republic.
Sorry yes I see that now. My mistake Kemo
I meant EU funding towards upgrading more sections of DK7
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Old June 25th, 2016, 01:32 AM   #15672
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???
It would be just a change in naming, just like in the Czech Republic.
and change of sign to 140?
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Old June 25th, 2016, 10:57 AM   #15673
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A1 Łódź eastern bypass may open 1st July 2016 (much earlier than expected and ahead of schedule)
Is 1st July confirmed? Not sure but I might be driving there on 5th July. I think S8+A1 will be opened together, won't they?
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Old June 25th, 2016, 12:15 PM   #15675
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I think S8+A1 will be opened together, won't they?
It would be very strange if the S8 section between the A1 and DK1 were not opened at the same time as the A1.
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New alignment of DK15 in Brodnica was opened to traffic today.



















Source and more photos: http://obwodnicabrodnicy.pl/czerwiec...a-z-powietrza/
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Old June 25th, 2016, 04:32 PM   #15677
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I understand that. but a bit further north the A1 is built with toll gates from Strykow to Torun. this part of A1 is not tolled either, yet they built the infrastructure in order to be ready in case it was decided that tolls should be collected. I guess whether or not they build the infrastructure can be taken as a sign of the likelihood of introduction of tolling via booths in the future, but as expericence with the A1 shows even if they build the booths they may still not introduce tolling.
The problem with the toll gates is that they really should have one integrated system as far as possible, rather than breaking it into tolled and untolled sections. There's no reason why the Łódź bypass has to be toll free - it's far enough out so that local traffic won't be using it for short hops (unlike the A2 in Poznań) and so it should be perfectly possible to have a large closed toll system.

However, the most logical solution in the long term is to introduce vignettes, which I'm pretty sure will happen at some point sooner rather than later.
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Old June 25th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #15678
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The new stretch of A1 does not seem to have toll gates on interchanges. At least it looks like that when i look at google earth imagery. Where the gates just not built when the imagery was taken or does it really not have any?
The problem is that we're in a state of limbo with the tolling. It's clear that the current solution doesn't work at peak times, there's no will on the part of the private operators and the GDDKiA to build huge French-style toll stations - so we're simply waiting for someone in the government to make a decision.

The current ViaToll agreement expires in 2017, and it seems highly unlikely that tolls will be introduced in 2018 when an election is due in 2019, so who knows.

It would make sense at least to introduce tolls on the Łódź-Gdańsk A1 section and to integrate it with the A2 tolls, as the infrastructure is already there and waiting. But I was driving on the DK14 yesterday near Stryków - and even with the open tolls, there was a jam stretching back to the exit from the motorway. For that reason, in the long term, the only feasible solution is electronic tolling.

For what it's worth, I'm against electronic tolls because it's obvious that any government looking for easy revenue would simply extend tolls to expressways.
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but wouldn't vignettes almost assuredly apply to the expressways too?

why not just abolish tolling entirely? The current government wants to change everything, everything except nothing that would actually help anyone
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